(09-08-2023, 09:09 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(09-08-2023, 08:46 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Depends. We also have a lot of "in between the stats" guru's around here that championed Josh Allen like a mofo last year when some of us wanted him traded by the deadline. There's more to rushing the QB apparently outside of just "sacks". So I am told.

Yeah you have to rely on your eyes over the stat sheet, but getting home and other play ending stats do matter for pass rushers (i.e. sacks, TFLs, PD's etc).  You have to get home occasionally.  That was the defense on Harvey here many years ago.  He never showed up on the stat sheet, but we were told he was getting lots of pressures and getting close.  

And yes Hutch has the advantage in the stat sheet thus far, but you have to use your eyes on how he's getting what he does.  It's the same way he was getting it in college.  Nothing has changed.  He's not a "beat you with speed and bend" guy.  He's not a "beat you with power" guy.  He's a "beat you with relentlessness and scheme" guy.  Travon hasn't been really any of those 3 consistently yet, but I think he could still potentially be all 3.  I don't think Hutch will ever be the first 2. I'd add, if you're ever going to be a defender that "takes over the game" you need to be 1 of the first 2.

Year 1 to 2 is where'd I'd expect to see the biggest jump from Travon.  I'll start getting concerned 4 or 5 weeks in and nothing has changed for him, but for now I'm expecting production out of him pretty early in the season.

This is my stance on him in year two as well. If he's being stonewalled at the point of attack off the edge I would think they need to consider moving him inside to where he's more effective potentially at some point this year. 

I said in another thread yesterday that I think his ceiling is a blend of Mario Williams and John Abraham. This is due to his sheer strength, size and tenacity. There's going to be games where he might not register a single stat and then there's going to be WEEKS where he just becomes a force of nature and he cannot be stopped.

I think his floor is a poor man's Ryan Kerrigan/Brian Orakpo/Cameron Wake type player if they continue the OLB route. He won't get those 10+ sack seasons consistently from that position but he'll have probably two to three big games per year getting after the QB and then being a handful in the run game.

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