(09-15-2023, 02:23 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(09-15-2023, 02:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: You're stuck with judges regardless.  Regardless of how you interpret the constitution, and how strictly you want people to adhere to it, you're counting on judges to agree with you, and you're counting on Presidents and generals to abide by those rulings.  So we both end up in the same place.  Except Black people are free on my end, and enslaved on yours.

Not if we do away with the constitution. We wouldn't need them nor any systems really. We would just have a utopia of the Gestapo running around everywhere operating completely with carte blanche. 

When you start trying to bend the rules or outright remove them? You're dangerously close to turning into that police state. While the founding fathers were not perfect, and, the double standard of all men being created equal during a time where slavery was still a thing.

You have to understand, slaves were not considering men, they were considered property. Was it brutal? Yes. Was it harsh? Yes. Was it hypocritical? Of course. Does that mean we should completely [BLEEP] on the constitution? No.

You're describing two extremes.  On one end, (A), a dictator with secret police operating without rules.  On the other, (B) judges making rulings on a pure rules-based, deontological, written rules only system. America has never been A.  But it has also never been B. Introducing more human judgement and subjectivity doesn't immediately take you from B to A.  Especially when you were never at B in the first place.

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