(09-15-2023, 02:27 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(09-15-2023, 02:23 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Not if we do away with the constitution. We wouldn't need them nor any systems really. We would just have a utopia of the Gestapo running around everywhere operating completely with carte blanche. 

When you start trying to bend the rules or outright remove them? You're dangerously close to turning into that police state. While the founding fathers were not perfect, and, the double standard of all men being created equal during a time where slavery was still a thing.

You have to understand, slaves were not considering men, they were considered property. Was it brutal? Yes. Was it harsh? Yes. Was it hypocritical? Of course. Does that mean we should completely [BLEEP] on the constitution? No.

You're describing two extremes.  On one end, (A), a dictator with secret police operating without rules.  On the other, (B) judges making rulings on a pure rules-based, deontological, written rules only system. America has never been A.  But it has also never been B. Introducing more human judgement and subjectivity doesn't immediately take you from B to A.  Especially when you were never at B in the first place.

Is it an extreme or an eventual reality? The United States has been a scale of trying to delicately and politically balance all of that out. As, in reality, most countries have had to endure one of those two extremes in most cases. Ours is a little bit more flexible, a little bit more civil, far from perfect, of course, but still a bit better than most.

I think, again, you have to look at it with these extremes because we're dangerously close to falling apart and into these said extremes. As we continue to see these looney tune characters positioning themselves and buying themselves into the political arena, into the law making sectors of our democracy. They increase their power and influence. 

We're in a lot of trouble now as it stands today. Again, how far do we need to go down this road before we see where it ultimately leads? How long do we need to keep letting these little fires build up before it's Rome burning all over again?

This was quietly kept under wraps as well. There's always been wolves in sheep's clothing looking to overturn what we've at least tried to build and establish here. It's tainted, of course, it's been somewhat corrupted. We have to have these checks and balances in place though. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pSOekHA8OQ

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