Travis King (defector)

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Travis King (defector) - North Korea

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09-30-2023, 01:47 PM

(09-30-2023, 10:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(09-30-2023, 10:11 AM)mikesez Wrote: Your reasoning is circular, not mine. The men imprisoning Whelan answer to Putin, not Biden. You admit that Putin exagerrates and lies. Yet you are sure that Biden had a clear path to getting Whelan freed. Where does your confidence come from? Should Griner still be in Russian prison?

You're parsing the argument in order to find wiggle room. But that's neither here nor there. The premise of the entire argument is we had someone the Russians wanted badly, and we gave him up for a cheap political consolation prize.

Should Griner still be in prison? If we had earnestly negotiated with the Russians, the answer is yes if they weren't willing to give us Whelan and Griner. Whelan should have been first in queue to be repatriated and we had the negotiating piece to do it. Now we don't and probably never will again until Whelan serves out his sentence.

I don't know why you are so hell bent on defending Biden's obvious faux pas. It's really puzzling.

You assert without evidence that Whelan should have been "first in line". On what basis do you make this judgement? Russia decided Griner should be first in line. Suppose you are the negotiator. Do you leave them both in prison until Russia agrees with you that Whelan should be freed first?

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Messages In This Thread

Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by HURRICANE!!! - 09-28-2023, 11:55 AM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by mikesez - 09-29-2023, 09:52 AM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by KingIngram052787 - 09-29-2023, 11:16 AM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by homebiscuit - 09-29-2023, 11:41 AM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by mikesez - 09-29-2023, 11:57 AM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by homebiscuit - 09-29-2023, 12:12 PM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by mikesez - 09-29-2023, 12:35 PM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by homebiscuit - 09-29-2023, 12:52 PM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by mikesez - 09-29-2023, 01:36 PM

homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-29-2023, 01:48 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 09-29-2023, 02:47 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-29-2023, 06:07 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 09-29-2023, 10:46 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-30-2023, 08:51 AM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 09-30-2023, 10:11 AM

RE: homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-30-2023, 10:30 AM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 09-30-2023, 01:47 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-30-2023, 03:46 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 09-30-2023, 03:59 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-30-2023, 04:27 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 09-30-2023, 05:20 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-30-2023, 07:04 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 09-30-2023, 08:15 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 09-30-2023, 11:03 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 10-01-2023, 09:14 AM

RE: homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 10-01-2023, 09:28 AM

copycat - by copycat - 10-01-2023, 02:21 PM

RE: copycat - by mikesez - 10-01-2023, 03:29 PM

RE: copycat - by homebiscuit - 10-01-2023, 06:27 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by HURRICANE!!! - 10-02-2023, 05:36 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 10-02-2023, 07:17 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by KingIngram052787 - 10-02-2023, 07:25 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 10-02-2023, 07:33 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by KingIngram052787 - 10-03-2023, 07:48 AM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 10-03-2023, 09:20 AM

RE: homebiscuit - by KingIngram052787 - 10-03-2023, 09:30 AM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 10-03-2023, 10:33 AM

RE: homebiscuit - by Sneakers - 10-02-2023, 08:06 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 10-02-2023, 08:11 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by Sneakers - 10-02-2023, 11:08 PM

RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 10-03-2023, 07:21 AM

RE: homebiscuit - by Sneakers - 10-03-2023, 08:28 AM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by mikesez - 10-01-2023, 08:46 PM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by Sneakers - 10-02-2023, 02:15 PM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by mikesez - 10-02-2023, 03:42 PM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by Sneakers - 10-02-2023, 07:07 PM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by mikesez - 09-29-2023, 11:34 AM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by homebiscuit - 10-01-2023, 09:36 PM

RE: Travis King (defector) - North Korea - by Lucky2Last - 10-04-2023, 05:23 AM

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