(10-10-2023, 01:56 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(10-10-2023, 01:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: The part that really breaks my heart is there are innocent people in Gaza too.  Their population is 2 million.  The Hamas fighters and support staff that are actively engaged in trying to kill Israelis probably number less than 20,000.  Do you think maybe 1% of the people in Gaza are disgusted by all of this? That would be 20,000 innocent people who are now going to be under a starvation seige from Israel for an unknow amount of time.
Its probably more than 1% .  What would you do if you were born in Gaza? How would you work towards eliminating Hamas and replacing them with a rational government? There are no easy answers.

You can't. You're born into a ghetto and you're not even allowed to pick a side really. You're just born into the wrong system, with the wrong people at the wrong time in a never ending conflict. 

But, it's all the Muslims doing. It's all Islam's fault. Israel (well, let me be careful, specific groups of a specific religion, not the people and religion as a whole) essentially desires the genocide of these people. 

Also, here's another thing to consider. Where would these 2 million people go if some type of deal was brokered? And, it results in Palestine being erased beneath the sands and Israel expanding itself upon it?

Do these people get displaced to us here in the states? Do they get to go to other Western countries or parts of Europe? Nobody would want them anyway. Too risky. Too sketchy. Too many fears of domestic terrorism being brewed up. Just like the fears now with the US Southern border.

These people are nothing more than camp fodder, cornered rats that are completely [BLEEP] at the end of the day. I cannot shake some of the things I have seen. That man holding his baby girl, lifeless, in an emergency room is a punch to the gut. Genuinely cannot believe people take a side in this and condone this. It's shameful. 

I don't care who you vote for. We can do better than that, folks. We can do better than that. Do our tax dollars really need to be aiding these countries with their problems when we have enough over here to worry about at the moment? We can't even trust these people to do the right, humanitarian thing with our tax dollars.

We've accepted almost 200,000 of them already.  But the ones who came here wanted to.  They were OK with giving up on the dream of getting their old family home back. The people in Gaza now, a lot of them fled there during the 1948-49 war, leaving homes that are now in Israeli territory, thinking it would be just temporary.   That's why Gaza is so dense.  Many of them have turned down opportunities to leave the area, hoping to one day get their old home back.

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