(10-11-2023, 08:48 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(10-11-2023, 12:35 AM)p_rushing Wrote: What @Caldrac has said is most likely correct.

If you admit that the media, government, and politicians are working together/closely in the US, then you should also believe the same level of control exists in other countries. Then you can believe they are working together across countries.

These things have always happened with the US trying to get leaders elected that are friendly and the other countries do the same thing.

The US and the world are ending funding to Ukraine as that laundromat has run out of soap.
The US gives Iran money that they knew would be used to fund terrorists.
Iran funds the terrorists as everyone knew they would.
Security somehow misses all the warnings and intel before, none of the advanced monitoring worked, no one monitoring the gate to see them, etc.
Before this attack, the liberals were making a lot of noise there and gaining too much power.
Immediately afterwards, war is declared and all the liberals are shutdown, guns being given to anyone, and Gaza going to be bulldozed into the water.
The US immediately has to provide more unending funds. They may even try to tie money to Ukraine in this so they can double dip.


You have to see how this could all be allowed to happen because the amount of money to be made is huge. They need a new laundromat and they got one by funding both sides and using a 3rd party to do it.

It's not most of the people's fault on both sides, although there is a high % of terrorists who would definitely do the terrible things that are being said to have happened.

If you need more proof on why it's all a game and allowed to happen, why does Iran fund these terrorists groups? Why don't they just give the money to the people in Gaza and make it a utopia to live in. They could improve the lives of the people there, employ them all, and they would have to keep people out. Poor people are easier to control and it's easier when they can blame and hate someone else. That then allows Israel to spend lots of money on defense, they respond when rockets are launched, and then people see them as the big bad enemy and Iran and Gaza can keep their people under control.

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Iran believes that God gave all of Palestine and especially Jerusalem to the Muslims, and that God will bless any sufficiently devout Muslim who tries to get them back, and that they will get to be the heroes in the Muslim world going forward if they fund that.

Many different entities give Palestinians money for many different reasons, but, the particular Palestinians in Gaza, if you give them money, it goes to terrorism.  Any person who tries to use the money to build peace and stability instead of terrorism is eliminated.

But this isn't some big conspiracy of weapons makers.  This is a confluence of many different bad religious ideas all coming together.

I don't know. It reeks of something more fierce than that I fear. Most multibillion dollar corporations would never let a good crisis like that go to waste. With the amount of money and resources funneling into that area, that vacuum, it often feels like a group of giants throwing money around and taking bids while watching a dog fight. 

It's a soup of various variables, naturally. However, the biggest variable circles back to billions and billions of dollars, in large part, being handed over to Israel. It's still blatantly egregious though, when, it's obvious our Government has also handed out millions and billions of dollars overtime to Iran. 

Knowing damn well what the risks were and will continue to be... 

So, it goes back to, what are we doing here as a country? And, ultimately, cui bono? Who benefits the most from throwing money into this dog fight with deeply rooted dogma at it's core on both sides?

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(10-11-2023, 08:55 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(10-10-2023, 01:56 PM)Caldrac Wrote: You can't. You're born into a ghetto and you're not even allowed to pick a side really. You're just born into the wrong system, with the wrong people at the wrong time in a never ending conflict. 

But, it's all the Muslims doing. It's all Islam's fault. Israel (well, let me be careful, specific groups of a specific religion, not the people and religion as a whole) essentially desires the genocide of these people. 

Also, here's another thing to consider. Where would these 2 million people go if some type of deal was brokered? And, it results in Palestine being erased beneath the sands and Israel expanding itself upon it?

Do these people get displaced to us here in the states? Do they get to go to other Western countries or parts of Europe? Nobody would want them anyway. Too risky. Too sketchy. Too many fears of domestic terrorism being brewed up. Just like the fears now with the US Southern border.

These people are nothing more than camp fodder, cornered rats that are completely [BLEEP] at the end of the day. I cannot shake some of the things I have seen. That man holding his baby girl, lifeless, in an emergency room is a punch to the gut. Genuinely cannot believe people take a side in this and condone this. It's shameful. 

I don't care who you vote for. We can do better than that, folks. We can do better than that. Do our tax dollars really need to be aiding these countries with their problems when we have enough over here to worry about at the moment? We can't even trust these people to do the right, humanitarian thing with our tax dollars.

I'm with you on a lot of things, but this is too idealistic. You may as well hope for world peace. The seeds have been sewn. There needs to be a Victor for peace. Genocide or removal is pretty much the only way, either way. It sucks.

I know. There's no resolving that issue over there. However, with that said? Again, do we need to be aiding either part of this conflict financially with OUR tax dollars and OUR, so called, "trusted" politicians and leadership?

We should wash our hands clean of this and be done with it by now. Our country is on the verge of bottoming out, then what? We'll just be left over here with our borders wide open, our children and grandchildren washed out by a generation or two.

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