(10-13-2023, 09:43 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(10-13-2023, 09:19 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Egypt is allowing NO one to exit the southern border.

I have not idea what "Israel released Gaza to control their border with Egypt" even means since Gaza is a region not a government. If you meant to state Israel released Palestine to control their border with Egypt that is absolutely not true.  Palestine does not control any portion of the Gaza border.  Why are you talking about 2005 when I am posting about the current situation.

I was responding to JIB.  You are correct that since the attacks began Israel is not allowing anyone to leave, and neither is Egypt.  You are also correct that before the attacks, even though some people were allowed to come and go, most people in Gaza were never allowed to come and go.  So your first post was basically correct.  It's JIB's post that was wrong.  Then your post replying to me, you got more specific and your specifics are unfortunately wrong.  Every border has authorities on both sides.  The two authorities must both consent for that border to be open.  If one does not, it is closed.  The border crossing between Gaza and Egypt has not had an Israeli presence since 2005 when Israel withdrew their military from the strip.  Since 2006 when Hamas took over the strip, it has been open only sporadically, and only for very few people and no goods, because Egypt does not formally recognize Hamas.

Ok, that makes sense if you were responding to JIB but since my statement was bolded, I had thought you were responding to my statement.

True, there is representation by both sides at each border but it only takes 1 side to veto an exit so that essentially means any exit must be granted by Israel to the north or Egypt to the south.  As such, by definition, my statement is correct that Palestine does not control any portion of the Gaza border because their vote essentially means nothing if Egypt and Israel doesn't consent.   Palestine does not have the power to influence or direct the Israeli's (or Egyptians) behavior or course of events as they are merely a puppet at the border crossing, checking passports and such, but not granting exits.


con·trol
/kənˈtrōl/
noun
1.
the power to influence or direct people's behavior or the course of events."the whole operation is under the control of a production manager"

pow·er
/ˈpou(ə)r/
noun
1.
the ability to do something or act in a particular way, especially as a faculty or quality.
"the power of speech"

2.
the capacity or ability to direct or influence the behavior of others or the course of events.
"she had me under her power"

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