(10-24-2023, 06:57 PM)p_rushing Wrote:

(10-24-2023, 04:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I don't watch any of that stuff. It breaks me. The reality is this is going on all over the world. We are fortunate to have largely evaded that type of brutality in this country. On the flip side, we are totally insulated from the role or government plays on these overseas affairs.

Imo, this battle needed to be fought a long time ago. You can not stop the fighting if you don't bring the enemy to heel, and that looks absolutely barbaric.

However, you have to ask the tough questions of why our government seems to perpetually enable war around the world. It's impossible to route the enemy so long as people make money from it. If they are not strictly regulated, it doesn't take long before they become the enemy. That's where we are now, but our moderates don't have the balls to hold them accountable.

Look into the founding of Hamas and the other terrorists. It's all a big shell game where the countries that are fighting them, fund a different group, and then they end up fighting that group. The only way to win is going to be to flatten it and then flood it because of all the tunnels. Then you can find the entrances, if needed, where the water drains and destroy anything underground that needs destroying.

In Gaza, everyone supports the terrorists because if you don't, you don't get support or aid. They control the government, they control the aid from other countries, and they can make your terrible life worse than it already is.

Unfortunately there is little that can be done to save innocent people as hardly any of them are innocent. Basically everyone is guilty of supporting the terrorist government. No country wants them as you can't vet them and they won't assimilate.

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Hamas broke away from the PLO because the PLO was negotiating for Israel to remain on the map.

The PLO had worked to represent all the scattered Palestinians and tried to solve their problems and came to the sincere conclusion that trying to eliminate Israel would only make things worse for them.  That their only chance of improving their own lot was to accept Israel and only struggle in terms of what borders and powers Israel would ultimately have.

The hard reality of governing changed them from zealots to pragmatists.  It's a very common pattern.  One that is currently frustrating many Republican voters.  They think the people they send to Washington are "selling out" but they're not.  Once they get to Washington they confront reality.

Anyhow, the people who ultimately defected and formed Hamas would have also changed, except they were offered money from other states.  Outside money is prolonging this.

All that said, it is wrong, dangerously wrong to call all of them terrorists.  The Japanese fought to the last man, until their leaders capitulated and publicly shook hands with our generals.  We didn't have to kill all of the Japanese.  It can be similar with Hamas.

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