(10-30-2023, 11:06 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(10-30-2023, 07:27 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: It sure is a lot of "lucky" lately from you lol, everything is lucky lol.  CMC absolutely helped the Panthers and all their wins when he was there and he was their best player.  If they ever had a QB they would of made some noise in the playoffs

"All their wins"? Yeah, the Carolina Panthers were the offensive juggernaut of the NFL and made opposing D coordinators quake in their khakis. If you can't see that having the absolute best running back in the League did nothing for that terrible franchise then I can't help you. Just look at CMC's stats by year and compare it to their record. The numbers will smack you right in the face; when he was just ok in 2017 they won 11 games, when he was really good the next seasons they were middle of the pack to bad. Without him their 6-10 would'e been 4-12? Get out of here with that garbage. Just accept that running backs are low value players who's contributions are pretty much interchangeable for teams both bad and good, it's clear in the stats and clear in the behavior of good NFL franchises.

And just about everything about ETN for this team is flat out lucky: lucky that we got TLaw, lucky that K Toney wasn't the pick, lucky that ETN's foot injury wasn't career ending, lucky that Urban didn't get the chance to ruin him that season , lucky that Urbz got fired, lucky that our free agent class of skill players turned out so well, lucky that we got Doug. We've had an amazing streak of fortune and it's showing on the field...but luck isn't a long term strategy for success either. I fear that our GM is going to eventually be the impediment that holds us back from being really great, and this string of luck and really good coaching/play will come to an end without achieving the success we could've otherwise enjoyed.

Meanwhile, we're 6-2 and I'd rather savor this moment, so carry on.

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(10-30-2023, 10:26 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: I mean just look at the playoff teams from last year.

In the AFC, the only 1st rounder to start in the playoffs was ETN.

In the NFC, it was CMC, Zeke (with Pollard really as the dude) and Saquon (who they likely regret taking).

*CMC was on his second team, so that is really a different than the other 3 listed.

It's called not having a QB.  If your team doesn't have a QB your not going to be very good.  They had a really good WR as well in Moore amd pass rusher in Burns but it didn't matter without the QB.  He didn't have a very good team around him either which is why their record was bad most years.  You could use your shtick for every team.  Chiefs are luckybthey got Mahomes, lucky they got Kelce in the 3rd, lucky Andy Reid.  You could use that stupid excuse for every team.

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(10-30-2023, 11:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(10-30-2023, 10:58 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: It could just as easily happen with any other position.

The replacement cost for a running back is negliable, they are mostly interchangable and you can find one on Draft Saturday or on the street if needed. Get an offensive tackle off the street and you get Guy Whimper-level bad. The Risk/Reward plus Replacement Cost make it very easy to see how draft capital should be allocated.

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(10-30-2023, 10:05 AM)Hurricane Wrote: I'm pretty sure your comment is the point NYC is getting at with his drafting position. 

If they had a QB...
If they had edge pressure...
If they had better blocking line...
If they had a RB...
etc

How many times do you think its been said for each position to make the playoffs? I'm guessing the amount of times for a RB is quite a bit less than some of these other positions. Hence the reason they aren't given as much value.

If a team like KC needs a running back they draft one in the 7th and he performs as well as those taken on Day 1. If a team like the Falcons needs a running back they take him on Day 1 and keep losing.

KC drafted a RB in the first a couple years ago.  It was a bad pick because they took the wrong RB.  If they took Jonathan Taylor it would of been a good pick or maybe even a great pick

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