(11-01-2023, 06:52 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(11-01-2023, 03:27 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Regardless of whether Trump thought he had actually won Georgia or not, if Raffensperger came out and stated that he had found 11,000 votes for Trump, when he had not actually done so, that would be fraud.  So Trump was asking Raffensperger to commit fraud.  He was clearly asking Raffensperger to lie.  

It is not a valid defense to say that Trump believed he had won.  It's fraud to say you had found the votes, when you had not found the votes.

He failed to convince Raffensperger the election was unfair, so he asks him to lie about it.  

“The people of Georgia are angry. The people of the country are angry, and there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you've recalculated,” Trump said on the call. "All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have... Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break."

That's one way of interpreting it. That's not how I interpret it. I think he thinks Raffensberger is a coward and is trying to get him a rationale to come forward with the truth. That's another way to interpret it. Imo, my interpretation fits better both with Trump being inarticulate AND the fact that he is incredulous that fraud has not been investigated appropriately. Oh, and obviously if Raffensberger committed fraud, it would be fraud. It's not obvious. This is just another case of people honing in on one part of an inarticulate person's 30 minute conversation and spinning it in ways to discredit him. The media loathes him and has spun and outright LIED about Trump for the last 8 years, but that never seems to factor in the brains of folks like you, Mikey, and NYC. No. Just Trump. Always Trump.