(11-02-2023, 01:19 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Weak is you not accurately remembering the conversation we had a week ago. How can I trust your opinion on anything if you can't get your bias out of your own conversations? You think you're going to have any impartiality when it comes to Trump? A little epistemic humility might do good for your soul, man. 

Here's every bit of that conversation that says the opposite of what you claim. Then again, you don't really care about facts, do you? 

(07-21-2023, 02:58 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I don't care to argue the election in this thread. Or at least not until we finish what we are discussing. 

The main takeaway (which is where I stand on election fraud, too), is that we get too distracted arguing the what ifs, when there are ideals or questions we would agree on otherwise. My point with Epps is not that HE'S AN AGENT OMG. It's that he should be in jail by the standards that have been established. You and the moderates should watch that video, see incitement and also want him in jail. I get mad when we all agree on a principle, but never collectively push for that principle because we are too busy arguing about speculation. If we both agreed he should be in jail, and put pressure on the government to put him there, then you take away both the possibility of conspiracy and/or corruption.

I don't trust the government. 15 years ago, all of my liberal friends felt the same way. Now, it's reversed, but nothing's changed. I've just gotten older and wiser, and they've just seen their party get power. I think it's foolish to trust what these people say without proper checks and balances, transparency, and accountability. It's just not present in our government. Just like I think we should all agree that Epps should be in jail, I think we should all agree that we want open and transparent elections. For the last 20 years, there has been a dispute after every major election. Something is broken, but instead of trying to clean it up and us, as the collective, pushing for our government to get their act together, we justify it when our side wins and get pissed off about it when they lose. It's a terrible, vicious cycle.

Arrogance means never having to admit you're wrong. Huh... that reminds me of another New Yorker that's constantly in the media. You're basically Trump, bro.