(11-03-2023, 10:20 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(11-03-2023, 10:13 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Personally, I think these charges are largely concocted, but we'll see if anything actually damning comes out with this testimony. I have a feeling it will be more of the same... lines taken out of context and soundbites, but we'll see. 

That said, I have no problem with this line of reasoning. I still think it's short sighted. Trump aside, I don't see how any person can come in and effectuate change without being castigated and maligned to the point they lose all credibility. It is going to take someone like Trump who is self-serving and narcissistic, but who's interests align more with the American people than the establishment. 

There is a reason things were better under Trump. It's not because he's a great man. He just wants America to be like it was when he was growing up, and, the reality is, that's a BETTER America (minus the racism, obviously). No person who comes in office and pushes back against our corrupt establishment will come out unscathed. 

I know you like to think you are open minded, but the minute all of the establishment puts its power into destroying someone, you will cave. You can't help it. You're just not a strong enough person outside that little part of your faith that pushes back from time to time. That's just my opinion. 

To your larger point, I would love to have an honorable and dignified leader who genuinely wants change and genuinely wants to help American citizens. I think most Republicans would ditch Trump in a heartbeat if they thought there was a candidate who would fight like Trump. Sometimes, I think DeSantis could be that guy, but, you know, he wore boots.

The petty attacks are so tiresome.

Please get over yourself long enough to stop injecting this tripe when no one is provoking you. 

You could have had a reasonable post but you just had to throw that garbage in there. 

It's one of the reason's this forum descends to personal attacks so often. 

At least I wait until someone insults me. You just responded to a reasonable post with an unnecessary, personal and presumptuous jab.

That's not an attack. It's an honest criticism. I've met with Mikey in person. I think this is true of him and many others like him. It's why I criticize moderates all of the time. There are too many comfortable people in this country that are quick to be moved by the carefully crafted narratives that are pushed out by a few people who control our airwaves. Our cultural zeitgeist is being shaped and manipulated by global leftists who keep pushing the Overton window so far to the left that our moderates barely even resemble themselves 20 years ago. Hell, even conservatives are barely recognizable. 

Mikey, imo, is representative of well-meaning people who are too quick to try to coopt destructive ideas in the name of open mindedness. It's a problem. It goes hand-in-hand with the point I was making about who can actually stand up against it? At some point, moderates are going to have to pull their heads out of their [BLEEP] and get a backbone if they want to have any real say in the direction of this country.

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