(11-13-2023, 02:58 PM)Mikey Wrote:

(11-13-2023, 12:23 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Lets be real about something. Lawrence is a good QB but he is far from elite. In fact, Lawrence isn't even the best QB in our division because CJ Stroud has taken that mantle.

Lawrence has very mediocre numbers this year.  A 90 rating (good) 9 TDs in 9 games, and 6 ints along with a ton of fumbles.  Lawrence has a good receiving group. Engram is a great tight end.  The production is just not there when looking at the numbers. Yesterday he looked like a pure rookie with being lost all game. He struggles against man coverage while folding like a cheap tent under pressure.   I know the offensive line is a problem but sometimes the man behind the center can help the line. 

This loss was not all on Lawrence. The defense fell apart along with the team just giving away the ball too much.  Yes the line is a problem but that is not the whole story.  Lawrence is on pace for 16 TDs and around 10 ints this year. Kirk was the only real productive player on the field yesterday. Is it players around the QB failing or is it the QB the issue? This isn't just about yesterday but the offense has been very bi-polar all year.

The OL is the problem, full stop.

Great QB is gonna take a buncha sacks or throw some ill advised passes if the rush is getting there before plays develop.
Play calls are extremely limited if the only thing you can call is a quick slant or run up the middle because everything else results in sack or lost yards.

You've got a piece of crappy meat and trying to pass it off as haute cuisine - is it the fault of the cook, the kitchen, or the meat that the meal is awful?

Bingo, and there's nothing the coaches can do about the fact that our guys in the middle are terrible.

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(11-13-2023, 02:59 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(11-13-2023, 02:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Unfortunately - Ben Solak didn't hear or read Pederson's interviews about their process offensively. 

Doug has said prior to each of his seasons in Jax that he heads up a collective of his offensive coaches for designing the plays that make their way into the play book. So - while Press Taylor has fingerprints on this playbook, it is largely Doug's baby. 

I'd rather be able to say it is primarily a Taylor thing, but he's just a contributor to play design and a game-day caller. It would seem Solak's play design critiques are aimed at the wrong coach. Which sucks, because its the guy we have sort-of trusted the most to get it right lately. 

Whatever they can identify that is holding the offense back besides the OL (and it is mostly the OL) I really hope they find a way to improve it. 
If it is installing some new plays or variations on those already in place, if it is changing play calling duties, if it is altering route trees, I don't care. I support any improvement wherever they can find it. I just don't see a sea change coming unless the OL steps up their performance.

They need to figure out a way to let Lawrence use his legs more. By design or by RPO. I haven't seen that enough this year. Again, he's at his best when he's outside the pocket. 

Get him flowing in and out of the pocket. Mesh everything towards that side of his rollout, let him keep it and take off every now and then. 

They have to figure out a way to keep a defense honest and on it's toes more often than not. I don't think his knee is an issue as much as people think it is. Hell, the day he had it on for the first time he looked good against the Saints. 

More of that will help down the stretch. If he's going to get hit and dinged up anyway? Might as well let him get out there and earn something on the receiving end instead of just taking a loss from the pocket or worse.

You keep saying this but it's not true. He's a mobile quarterback who can move around, but his best is when he's in rythym in the pocket with good protection. The very first play yesterday, go back and watch it, because more times than not that's the result of trying to move him around.

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