(11-27-2023, 02:10 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(11-27-2023, 01:44 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: I'm going to refute some things here.

1. This entire narrative that Stroud played better than Lawrence is false. Let's also not forget how different this game looks if Ridley catches the TD and Engram doesn't get held.
2. So because Lawrence played from within the pocket and make quick reads, you're holding that against him? And Stroud running around is a positive for him?
3. How did Trevor get "lucky" exactly? He threw high to Engram because a LB was waiting right there. He had to throw over top of him and yea, it was high but it was on purpose. 
4. Missed Kirk... but it was because he was being held out of his break. This is a negative for Trevor?

It's interesting how you start by saying you thought Stroud out played him but your last sentence seems to insinuate that it was Trevor?

Both QBs played very well but I think Trevor outplayed him.

I think they were pretty even, difference today was Stroud had less time to throw. Lawrence stats look worse than they should tho because of the no call hold on the int, and the endzone drop tho.

Lawrence had a really nice game sunday.

Prior to week 12 CJ was averaging 2.5 seconds to throw. Right dead on the NFL benchmark minimum for "good protection."
Only 10 QBs in the league had more time.  

TL was averaging 2.1 seconds.
There were 41 QBs with 4 or more games played in the NFL this season so far averaging a longer pocket time than Lawrence. 

The week 12 numbers are not out yet, but it will be interesting to see how they actually stack up.

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