(11-30-2023, 05:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(11-29-2023, 07:27 PM)Jagger Wrote: You keep citing this 81 million against Trump but don’t bring up the more than 81 million who don’t want Biden back as president. Stop making this election about Trump…he’s not President dude. The election is ALWAYS a referendum on the incumbent. Always has been, always will be…hence why Trump lost in 2020. The public wants Biden out of office. I know you like the guy and all, but he is a terrible, terrible president.

And since you want to bring up history, no incumbent President with an approval this low at this point in their presidency and who trailed by this much in the polls has EVER won re-election.

I said it once and I’ll say it again…if Biden is the candidate for the Democrats, they have absolutely zero chance of winning. Their only hope is to pivot to Newsom or someone else. Hell, AOC or Bernie Sanders has a better chance of winning than Biden.

I've both acknowledged that Biden has a low approval rating and that I wish there was a better candidate on both sides.
Sorry you missed that. 

I can make it about Trump if I choose - that's what this thread is about. And I choose to continue to point out to you that unregistered voters got out and registered in record numbers to vote against him once. It is perfectly logical to anticipate that happening again. 

Biden's disapproval among the left does not signal that those voters will vote for Trump instead of Biden. And polling 12 months out from an election rarely proves all that accurate. 

I believe voters form the youth segment, the minority segment, and the typical left leaning populace will happily or reluctantly vote for Biden to avoid the catastrophe of another Trump presidency.  (again) And I believe the 18-21 populace will once again produce a very large number of new voters who will mobilize to vote solely for the purpose of activism against Trump. 

Your statements to the contrary are no more valid than mine - except that mine carry the weight of election results from the last race, and many of the state level elections since 2020 that have shown voters' desire to vote down trump, his supported candidates, and to vote against candidates supporting abortion restriction. 


Annnnyway -  the thread is about his upcoming trials and his former appointees and lawyers who have agreed to testify against him. So I'll let the topic get back on track to that. 

Meadows is looking more and more like one of the more willing witnesses for the prosecution. His testimony could wind up earning Trump a felony conviction which would render all of your speculation about polls and voting results null and void. 

Meanwhile - Chesebro - who formally authored the fake electors scheme cooked up by Trump and his lawyers - has already plead guilty in Georgia for the role - and has now been granted an allowance in his parole to travel to other states who are still investigating and planning potential indictments just like Georgia did. Trump's impending 4 criminal trials could grow to 8 trials if each of those states decide to prosecute as Georgia has. 

While all of these indictments and trials mighty embolden Trump's cult like base to become more loyal to him, any potential swing voters are more likely to be alienated by all of the damaging information and negative press that these trials will bring to light.