(12-04-2023, 11:20 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(12-01-2023, 07:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Nah, dog. Elections aren't simple. It's a massive machine. Distilling a complicated process down to 2+2=4 is ridiculously reductive, especially when you consider all of the strange outliers. If you want to say you trust the authorities on this issue, I completely get that. I think it's naive, and I don't think you would believe that had the story been flipped, but that's my opinion... not putting words in your mouth. 

That said, there's a mountain of facts that don't jive with historic data. I've posted it here multiple times... not gonna do it again. My biggest complaint is the Zuckerburg initiative and the VERY tangible voter rejection rate decreases. I also think there was massive ballot harvesting and mail in fraud, but I can't prove that. 

I don't think Trump hate "drove" people to the polls. I think it was more likely a perfect storm that allowed more activists to solicit otherwise indifferent people's ballots that were then harvested and dropped off in mailing locations. I think some of it was legit and some wasn't (in that some I think were illegally obtained and others offered voluntarily), but, either way, ballot harvesting is still illegal. I think the Zuckerburg initiative specifically trained people in blue counties to reject less ballots than they should have (something they freely admit), and it resulted it a massive increase in voter turnout. I think this is a simple case of bureaucratic indifference that come from an establishment relieved to have him gone. When you start the investigation with the notion that this was the most secure election in US history, you're going to find what you look for. 

People HATE Biden. He's terrible. Using your logic, it should be Biden hate that keeps those anomalies home, right? Why are you so confident they will turn out for him in droves? I happen to share your opinion, btw. Don't think Trump can win, but it will be for the same reason he didn't win in 2020. It's not just a simple 2+2=4.

That's a big part of the problem with the election deniers. They don't get how much pppl hate that candidate and how easily they were rallied to vote. 

Yeah - lots of ppl hate Biden too - but they overwhelming intersect with the same 50 mil who will vote for Trump again. The reach of Biden hate doesn't extend as deeply into mobilizing unregistered voter territory. 

It is almost hilarious how many times I've stated in this thread that ppl won't turn out FOR Biden but merely AGAINST Trump and each of you guys keeps trying to put the words in my mouth anyway. 

LOL

Gotta love the catch phrases... "election deniers." Such a supercilious way to start a discussion. 

Anyways, I will take this time to clarify that I agree that a disdain for Trump created a bump in turnout. I assumed that went without saying, but I can see that was not clear in my post from the reread. I should have said that bump was not exclusively driven by Trump hate. Mail-in voting, ballot harvesting, big establishment money, and political activism also played a crucial role, which I believe lead to a fraudulent election and indifference from our power-hungry bureaucrats, both elected and unelected. 

People HATE Joe Biden. Many, many people are saying they won't turn out for the man. Many lifelong democrats. This is with the knowledge that Trump is waiting. 2020 does not equal 2024, but you keep believing the hype. Trump almost certainly won't get re-elected. It will be because of Trump hate, but it's not the masses that make that happen.

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