(02-11-2024, 12:34 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: They should have an optional spot for special teams guys like Hester that’s available once every 5 years but not mandatory to use.  I think he’s a hall of famer after watching the 9 minute highlight reel that went around twitter recently though I would argue that the first two highlights on that reel were more about great special teams blocking and poor coverage by the opposing team than what Hester actually did on those two plays.  That said, the amount of TDs he scored on special teams combined with some of his highlights and I’d put him in but as mentioned above, I’d have basically a separate process for special teams guys.

Ab-so-freakin-lutely not.

So every five years we start debating whether to include Janikowski, Matt Bahr, Sean Landeta. Vai Sikahema just because they didn't play offense or defense primarily?

Baloney. The hall should be about the best at their position when they played. If the selection committee and then the voters think their contribution was that significant to the game, they should be considered. I don't want to force conversations just because the cycle has come back around. Optional or not, doing so takes away conversation or consideration of plenty other candidates during that fifth year cycle. Imagine being the best at your position, retiring, waiting 5 years, and then being told "sorry, you gotta wait another 4 years before we even entertain the idea of nominating you."

Hester was dang good at what he did. He was a dang unicorn. Don't restructure the whole system because of one extraordinary circumstance, plain and simple.

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(02-11-2024, 02:02 PM)Jag149 Wrote:

(02-11-2024, 12:23 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Devin Hester over Fred Taylor is insane.

Total Yards
Hester - 14,455
Taylor - 14,079

Total TD
Hester - 37
Taylor - 74

Fumbles
Hester - 41
Taylor - 27

Receiving TD
Hester - 16
Taylor - 8

Rushing TD
Hester - 1
Taylor - 66

Points Scored
Hester - 222
Taylor - 447

Career Approximate Value
Hester - 55
Taylor - 109

6 Highest Approximate Value Seasons
Hester - 12, 8, 8, 6, 6, 6
Taylor - 14, 14, 13, 13, 12, 12

Playoff seasons:
Hester - 3
Taylor - 5

Playoff total yards
Hester - 515
Taylor - 683

Playoff Touchdowns
Hester - 1
Taylor - 4

Regular-Season games missed due to injury
Hester - 5
Taylor - 55

Jimmy Smith AND Fred Taylor deserve to be in the Hall of Fame over Devin Hester.

While I agree with the conclusion of your post, I cannot agree with your stats. Mine actually make the gap between them greater.
I show:
Total yards of 3427, not 14,455
Total TD's of 17 not 37
Total points would then be 102 not 222
Link below to my data can you show me yours?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...stDe99.htm

...and MJD didn't deserve OROY because he only ran for like 900 yards that year.

does that make the point more understandable?

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