(03-01-2024, 11:30 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(03-01-2024, 10:42 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Your true colors are showing again, bro. You care to debate your post or you just gonna turtle up in delusional self-righteousness? 


Now that we're in agreement we're talking about the same bill, let's look at what's in the bill:

For starters, it's not a border bill. It's a multi-faceted bill that spends a TON of money (118 billion dollars) on various issues, from Ukraine, to Israel, to the DOD, to the Indo-pacific partnership, to the border. Of that 118 billion, only 20 billion of that is spent on the border. Over half the money in this bill goes to Ukraine. So, I think it's safe to say this is not a BORDER bill. It's primarily a Ukraine defense bill that adds money for the border. 

Secondly, you can easily find republicans objecting to Ukraine spending prior to this ever coming to a vote. It was a point of concern from the beginning of the bill, despite being bipartisan, so making Trump the key author of its rejection is also patently false. Did Trump object to it? Yup. Did other Republicans have an issue with the Ukraine funding prior to anything Trump said, also yup. 

This bill is 370 pages of bloat. It's in no particular order. I've been sifting through it the last couple days, and I'm just honestly shocked that anything gets done in this country. Doing a search for the border references, I have basically ended up with the following: 

• Border Emergency Authority: It outlines the conditions under which the Secretary of Homeland Security may activate border emergency authority, particularly in response to large numbers of aliens encountered at the border. Activation criteria include encountering an average of 4,000 or more aliens per day over a 7-day period, or a single-day encounter of 8,500 or more aliens.
  Funding Allocation: Approximately $20 billion is allocated towards border security. This includes the construction and reinforcement of physical barriers, technology upgrades, personnel hiring, and operational enhancements aimed at securing the U.S. border.
  

• Border Security Measures: Detailed measures include the improvement of physical barriers, expansion of technology use at the border, and increased funding for personnel. Specific provisions aim to modernize the border security infrastructure and improve the efficiency of border control operations.
  

If I had to approximate, I'd say about 80 pages of this 370 page bill deals with the border. I thought about breaking down every section on the boarder instead of lumping it into broad categories, but I figured nobody would read it. This bill is seriously a convolute mess. It's just discouraging how intentionally muddy and vague these things have become.

You're getting distracted.
All of the foreign aid provisions are lumps of money that get used up and are forgotten about within a year.
The border part is intended to change how the border works for everyone crossing it until Congress acts again, which, if history is a guide, might not be for another 30 years.
The border part is the only part that matters, and the only part Republicans in either chamber actually raised serious objections to.

[BLEEP] are you talking about? You and NYC are the typical misinformed "informed.". 11 Republicans said the border bill wasn't strong enough. Mike Johnson said the bill was DOA in his chamber BEFORE Trump said something publicly. Cruz called it a steaming pile of crap, again, before Trump. The freedom caucus objected to Ukraine spending, and, of course, Mike Lee and Rand Paul reflected that on the senate side. 

Yes, Trump said a vote for the bill would help democrats politically. However, you can't just pretend that all roads lead to Trump. Trump's biggest problem is that he says the quiet part out loud, which is why leftist media outlets can so easily use his words to damage the Republican party. It doesn't change the fact that it's propaganda. More importantly, democrats shouldn't get to divest themselves from the mess they created just because it's an election year. You guys need to pull your heads out of your [BLEEP] and start realizing that magic isn't real.

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Lol... post tweets. Lol.

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