(03-02-2024, 01:54 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:

(03-02-2024, 10:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Republicans are voting to allow Russia to take Ukraine. 

If the USA did what we did to hold Russia at bay for decade after decade, why would you want to allow them now to take over a sovereign nation by force? 

And more importantly, once they've done that, when do we decide enough is enough? 

You good with them taking Ukraine, Finland, Poland and Norway too?

I see what you're saying now. I wasn't connecting the bills in Congress with what you were saying before. It's been a long week or three.

I think Putin needs to stay in his lane and leave these other countries alone. I also think we have given a [BLEEP] ton of money and weapons to Ukraine and other countries need to step up and do their part. We are not the world's police but I also recognize sometimes things have to be addressed by us because other countries lack the stones to do it.

Right

It is a grotesque amount of money we have hemorrhaged to help Ukraine continue fending off Putin. 

I'd love to find ways to get other nations to help more than they already are to alter the lop-sided numbers. 
And being the de facto "world police" should not be our constant role. I agree.

But we also can't just piss away the decades spent being the primary opposition to Russia (and whatever sliding scale of communism they happen to operate under at a given time) while they just bulldoze through their neighboring countries and take over. (robbing the US of allies and strategic military outposts as they go) 

So what do you do? 

The other side of this - that is more on topic - is that we are treating our migrant problem with a similar half cocked approach. Cooperation with other nations is not happening on the level required to address the REAL problems of migrants and refugees the same way it isn't happening enough with our world police situation. But this has been a constant through every administration in my lifetime. It isn't a partisan problem. It's what we've always done  - and since the problem is worse than ever, the global solutions will need to be more widely unified and strategically intertwined. 

I don't see any politicians on my radar that have a snowballs chance in hell of spearheading that from the White House in the near future.

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