(03-23-2024, 09:42 AM)Caldrac Wrote:

(03-23-2024, 08:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: By kumite you mean hand to hand fighting.  OK. For sport? No.  You admit it was an insurrection but lament that it wasn't more entertaining.  OK. 

I am saying, based on how the media portrayed it, you would have thought it was all over for America and it was the second coming of the fall of Rome. None of which happened. It was a fart in the wind in the grand scheme of things and Joey bag o' Donuts won the election and has since done a fantastic job as president...

Then you say, we should have more physical violence here, to wipe out corruption.  OK.

You have to fight fire with fire, bud, that's just the way of the world. It ain't always pretty. But, remember, he ain't heavy, he's my brother. 

I wasn't expecting you to say that.  First of all, one or both sides are always going to have guns.  Bodies will pile up quickly.  There won't be much in the way of chivalrous fighting.  

Yes. Such is the way of violence. Such is the way of the Thunderdome! You know the rules! 2 man enter! 1 man leaves! 2 man enter! 1 man leaves!

I think you misunderstand the point of democracy.  The point is not to find the best possible policy.  It's to avoid physical fighting over policy.  Hash it out at the ballot box.  I prove there that my side has more people, hopefully you no longer want to fight me over it because you see that I can bring more people to the fight than you can.  It is not to avoid corruption.  It is to minimize corruption by making it easier to remove any leader who loses touch with his original supporters.  But corruption can't be eliminated this way.

The irony, is that, you're saying Democracy is about avoiding physical fighting over policy. Yet, our entire sense of Freedom and policies were established through physical fighting over tyranny. I think Democracy is a made up word that people like to use to control other people and we're just getting a little too docile and comfortable with passively accepting the corruption and rot within our nation. 

You know, kind of similar to why some of those honkey's boarded those ships to sail across the Atlantic centuries ago. I don't need to worry about fighting you or anybody. At least now yet. Not until somebody comes knocking at my door looking for a fight they really, really don't want. We've seldom seen our Democracy work correctly by whatever made up definition the well off and well-to-do ruling class told us to abide by and adhere to. 

Anyhow

That's your first error.  Your second error is more serious than the first.  Your second error is, as soon as you cry and let slip the dogs of war, you have no idea how many people will die, how long the violence will last, who will end up on top, and if that person will actually be more or less corrupt than who came before.

My error? That's cute. Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, I really don't give a damn in the grand scheme of things and I am just paying you lip service while simultaneously giving you a low-brow narrative to keep your panties in a bunch? 

Back to the point of the thread.  We've answered two questions, here are two more:

1) were there violent protestors at the Capitol on January 6 2021? Yes. 

Yes. Indeed. 

2) what was their goal? Their immediate goal was to find and arrest Mike Pence.  Which is why they chanted  "Where's Mike Pence?" Their broader goal was to help Trump remain in office, to prevent Biden from gaining office.

Obviously. I didn't hear that. I genuinely heard "Where's My Pants?". The violence was too loud. 

Thanks for clarifying. 

3) who gave them the idea to gather that day and try to break in and capture people?

The Media. The same media that just said there would be a Bloodbath. And Trump. Obviously, Trump. 

4) many people, police officers, told them to stop.  They did not listen.  Then finally someone told them to stop that they did listen to.  Who was that?

Obviously, Odin. 

So Grandpa, you came up in the days before the civil war when we could still vote for who we wanted to vote for.  Did you see the end coming?
Oh yes, grandson, yes I did.
What did you do about it?
I sat back and laughed at the folks trying to warn me about where it was all heading.
Why?
Well buddy, I was comfortable in my job.  I figured I'd be fine either way. I figured a few long guns would keep me safe, but they ended up being pretty much irrelevant against drone swarms.
What was your job?
Managing freight trains.
The railroad still worked back then?
Oh yes, all the way to Atlanta and on to Charlotte.
And the horde wouldn't capture them on the way?  They wouldn't be stopped at the border?
Oh no, buddy, there was no horde.  And no borders.
I can't imagine, grandpa.

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