(03-29-2024, 10:57 PM)EricC85 Wrote: There is no conservative party, Trump openly admits he's not a conservative so why do you guys get defensive when someone points that out? Trump and MAGA are a populist movement, which is fine but it's not conservative in any way shape or form.

The GOP can no longer argue from the point of morality matters either, they gave that ground up when they signed up with Trump as the king maker. No one can argue Trump is a morale man, you can argue is policies are right leaning and he is better than Biden but he's never been a conservative.

I don't think there's enough of a difference between Tru o and Biden on the important stuff to be matter. Neither of them are going to really address immigration. They both spend like a drunken sailor. They both raised my taxes and cost of living. They both push the mRNA vaccine. They both supported lockdowns that wrecked our economy. Neither of them are morale men. Trump cozzies up to Russia and Biden cozzies up to China neither of them has any credibility on internation relations. I think they're both perverts. Really they're very similar when you look past all the pointless banter each side does.

I agree with all of the bolded, which is what I've been essentially saying for the last 4 years. There is no conservative or liberal movement any longer. You can pine for the old guard if you want to, but they sold out Americans a long time ago. They weren't strong enough to beat the organized left, and the only ones that survived joined the corruption. Everything that is establishment in this country IS left. The populist movement is an attempt to reclaim American identity and purpose. It's at least self-interested. Anyone voting for establishment, be it "conservative" or "liberal," is voting for a corporate oligarchy, which is radical left. Period. 

I'm happy to get us back to our roots. I'd be happy to see true conservatives in the mix. That's not going to happen until you beat the establishment left. Trump ain't perfect, but he ain't them.

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