Quote:Haven't seen anyone mention it, but Manziel's Gruden camp was on tonight also. My question: for anyone who flipped and wanted Manziel after his good pro day, do you conversely flip back because he was subpar tonight in the classroom w/ Gruden? He was a fish out of water breaking down his own plays/reads/progressions and even worse trying to draw things on the white board. Does that matter to anyone else?

 

To me that means way more than the pro day (although it is still just a small piece itself). We have tons of videos to break down how Manziel can throw, we don't get many opportunities to see what goes on in the meetings that the players will have with the teams. Gruden's camp isn't perfect but it actually is the closest we'll get to seeing that. 

 

So for the overall day should we be higher or lower than we were beforehand? The true answer is neither of course, but I know that opinions change like the wind here so I'm interested to see what others think. 

 

Good points. I watched the Gruden segment and it's obvious Manziel has his mind made up when he comes to the line of scrimmage and has not experience in going through his progressions.    He has the physical tools but not the head.    Conversely, it appears Teddy has a better grasp of the defenses and pocket presence.  I'd only take Manziel if we were committed to 3-4WR sets and planned to open up the offense drastically (like the Rams used to do)..

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