(04-11-2024, 12:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(04-11-2024, 12:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I honestly think I don't know whether or not his agent wanted to see what the market bore out before doing anything. 
It's a common negotiating tactic. So that may have been the plan - and it may have been known by our FO. 

We can't know unless someone spills the beans. 

It's also pretty common not to begin a negotiation with the highest offer you are comfortable with which is likely near where this ended up for the Jags. 

So - I find the notion that Jags should have begun the talks by offering ~30 mil per year and crossing their fingers that the agent would advise Allen to sign prior to the tag deadline - I find that notion to be a pipe dream. 

I think the likelihood of those stars aligning to be a very low probability. Yet everyone acts as if we have ruined everything because it didn't happen. 

I also think that if we get decent production out of Davis and add a receiver before day 3 - we may be better off than had we paid Ridley what it would have cost to keep him.

I didn't say start at the number, but it was clear we would end up somewhere near there. I'm still hung up on the "we're going to start talk sometime soon" thing at the presser that was 3 weeks later than all the other GMs in the league held one. Everything about Baalke is him making things more difficult than they need to be.

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(04-11-2024, 12:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: It's possible his team wanted to set the market but we wouldn't cave.  They then seen he was going to play on the tag or take the Burns like offer.  It's pretty much the exact same contract Burns got, almost identical with .5 mil more guaranteed.    He was never going to get a Bosa type contract but we had to beat the one Burns just got being Allen is the better player.   Take our biggest and last offer or play on the tag.  It was a good and fair offer for both sides.

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The Burns contract was the best thing that happened for Allen.  If that never happened it would of likely been a few mil less per year and less guaranteed

Hard to believe since Baalke, by his own admission, dragged his feet for weeks after the season ended. I think the guy just has some kind of Franchise Tag fetish that lets him exert power over the really good players.

(04-11-2024, 01:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(04-11-2024, 12:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: I didn't say start at the number, but it was clear we would end up somewhere near there. I'm still hung up on the "we're going to start talk sometime soon" thing at the presser that was 3 weeks later than all the other GMs in the league held one. Everything about Baalke is him making things more difficult than they need to be.

This position assumes:

• Baalke/Pederson considered tagging Ridley and rushing a deal with Allen some priority - when we don't actually know where their value of Ridley resided at that time and whether using the tag to protect him was ever a real consideration
  
• It assumes our FO had knowledge that one of the most savvy agents in pro sports was, or wasn't going to be unnecessarily willing to rush this negotiation for Allen's biggest pay-day in order to help the team re-up a receiver - or whether he always intended to wait until the other cards were dealt in the market. We don't know what was communicated. That agent certainly has deals in his vast catalog that stretched beyond camp attendance to get what he wanted for his athlete. Yet everyone is so comfortable assuming he'd just sign right up in March. We don't know that.
  

I see this signing as a VERY standard practice and timely procedure. Sorry, I just don't see what I'm supposed to be upset about here.