(04-22-2024, 01:37 PM)Mikey Wrote:

(04-22-2024, 10:58 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Why wouldn't we have a shot at JPJ if we didn't sign Morse?  I don't think that was his point.  Nobody is jumping to the top half of the first for a center lol .

If we didn't sign Morse, we all but of to address OC in the darft, and early.
Signing Morse affords us the flexibility to move OFF of 17 without needing to swing for a center.
When we signed Morse and at the time have the combine JPJ was all but pencilied in for the Phins 4 spots from us, and some mocks ofed him going earlier, especially at 16 to SEA.

Not one person here said we wouldn't of a shot at him at 17. Just because we signed Morse to a two year deal in no way suggests that we don't of longer term interest in anyone, JPJ included, to address the position (your statement, not mine).

You don't put your eggs in one basket. You don't sign Morse, JPJ's ankle is worse than initially suspected, now you either need to WAAAAAAAAY overdarft Frazier, or spend extra capital to move where he fits, or roll with someone lower on the board who may end up closer to Fortner, you piss off your QB by doing next to nothing to address the line, but hey, at least we didn't spend a pittance on a contingency plan. Smurt.

I think we can all agree that JPJ at 17 is bonkers crazy valuation. You're gonna leave a bunch of value on the board by passing on others at that spot, and taking your guy probably 5-8 spots ahead of where he fits. So you sign the backup plan to a decent, yet not crippling, offer. You plan to wiggle in the darft, because there will be other guys on the board at 17 that other teams may want to jump for. You can get some value out of moving, but you risk missing out on your guy. So long as the trade nets value and you can still address the other needs, missing that one guy might not be so bad. If he were too good to miss out on, you stay put and pick your guy even if everyone else says it's overpaid.

I never said I dont think we draft a center.  I think we take Bortolini. JPJ was all over the place in mocks and still is.  We signed Morse because he is a top half center in the league.

  JPJ arms came in a little shorter than expected.  This is the deepest center class in some time. If we wanted JPJ though we wouldn't of signed Morse. 

JPJ is a day 1 starter imo.  Im pretty sure Baalke doesn't think he will be the top player available when we pick.  This is the deepest center class I remember though and there are a number of centers in this draft that will be better than Fortner.

  As far as the bolded, It depends on who is on the board.  Depending on who is available I don't think he is bad value at 17.  Just depends on where you rank him.  With that said I dont think Baalke has him rated as high as some of us on this board.  By the bolded it looks like you don't think he is a top 17 player in this draft.

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