(06-07-2024, 12:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(06-07-2024, 11:55 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Look, dude, you're a peon, like me. The problem is you don't think you're a peon. If you read the literature, it says what they are about. You don't read the literature. You read comments that get sensationalized by the media, then downplay them. This stuff doesn't fall out the sky, even though every Tom, Dick, and Harry who calls themselves a moderate or centrist or x-leaning thinks this [BLEEP] is all organic. It's not. This stuff is way more organized and purposeful than I think you even comprehend. Sure, her comments were organic. I'm confident she misspoke, because she's probably not supposed to say [BLEEP] that's too on the nose. That kind of stuff is generally frowned on in politics. Sure, that article is hamming it up for the right-wing crowd. It doesn't make her comments any less disingenuous and concerning. 

It's a pretty freaking common talking point among the elites of the democratic party. You know why? It's part of the philosophic ideology of the new left. You refuse to acknowledge the new paradigm that exists in American politics, which is why you're constantly misinformed. 

Hillary Clinton (Democrat) - Suggested "formal deprogramming" for Trump supporters, referring to them as "cult members" (October 2023) 

Richard Beller (Former PBS lawyer, Democrat) - Spoke about the need for "re-education camps" for children of Trump supporters, suggesting they need to be molded into accepting progressive ideologies (2020) 

Katie Porter (Democrat) - Mentioned the necessity of educating constituents to counteract misinformation and change their understanding of key political issues (2022).

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democrat) - Advocated for comprehensive educational reforms to combat "systemic racism" and "white supremacy," suggesting a need to change entrenched societal beliefs (2020).

Elizabeth Warren (Democrat) - Called for reforms to "re-educate" Wall Street executives on ethical business practices and corporate responsibility (2021).

Bernie Sanders (Democrat) - Promoted educational programs aimed at re-educating the public on the benefits of socialism and social justice (2020).

Kamala Harris (Democrat) - Highlighted the need for public "re-education" on climate change to foster better environmental policies (2021).

Nancy Pelosi (Democrat) - Advocated for legislative measures to "educate" the public on the importance of COVID-19 vaccination, suggesting a need to change resistant attitudes (2021).

Gavin Newsom (Democrat) - Emphasized the importance of "re-educating" communities about public health measures during the pandemic (2020).

Ilhan Omar (Democrat) - Pushed for educational initiatives to "reprogram" public understanding of America's role in global conflicts, promoting a more critical view (2021).

Pete Buttigieg (Democrat) - Supported initiatives to "re-educate" communities on the benefits of infrastructure investments and green energy projects (2021).

Ron DeSantis (Republican) - Pushed for educational policies to "reorient" students towards patriotic values, effectively countering progressive curricula (2022).

Notice a trend? That's a search over the last 3 years for politicians who talk about re-educating the public. Just a bunch of people who have misspoken... Only one was a Republican, and let's be real, his comments are tied to reclaiming education from leftists who are *gasp* trying to educate the public in the way they think is best, which is anti-American. But, either way, I don't care to argue whether he is noble or not. 

The bottom line is it's a common mode of thought among democratic elites to train the monkeys to think like they want them to think, and if you dissent, you need to be shown the error of your ways. It's frankly idiotic to try to rationalize what's right there for you to see. Not only is common among our politicians, but it's also happening in a different way in major corporate workspaces. No matter how much I show you these things are connected, you don't even want to consider that you are being manipulated. So, whatever... continue in your arrogance. She misspoke. The elites definitely don't think they have the power to make us think the way they want us to. 

The bolded blue is where I disagree with you the most, but whatever. We've long established your tendency in "looking out for" such dark agendas being forced upon us - compared to my less concerned nature. No need to dredge it all up again further. 

Regarding the repeated references you've listed (which are great examples of what I'm talking about, thank you)  despite the insistence it is a meaningful agenda in those comments,  what has any of that tongue-wagging accomplished in terms of organizing any semblance of a re-education of the masses?

Absolutely diddly-squat. 
ZERO
Nada. 

It's just rhetoric - and while it could be dangerous rhetoric in a less democratic system - we simply aren't there yet. Thankfully. 
Fingers crossed it stays that way. It should. 
As of now - It's just talk that can't find its way into any actual application.

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(06-07-2024, 12:02 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Oh, and just for fun, it never ceases to amaze me how you and your ilk love to take the slightest of changes to wording and use it as proof of reading comprehension. You got me. I didn't read your idiotic post close enough, and I am WAY off by saying it was stacked by DeSantis and not all of the Republican governors. That TOTALLY changed the context. You got me. If only I had been talking about re-education, then you could have assumed I was just misspeaking.

LOL

You said I said something I didn't say.
Don't blame ME that you botched it.

Why do you assume it's going to stay rhetoric? This is a natural result of establishment control. It always has been. This wasn't and hasn't been part of the public discourse for a long time in America. The closest in my lifetime was when the religious right had control of the public narrative in the 80's, with talks of homosexual reform. There was natural public pushback against it. There is not the same level of indignance from the broader American public over these types of comments. They are unacceptable. And, yes, alone, it's not a big deal. I'd even say she was correct in this instance. However, there is context. Have you read any of these books?

"Pedagogy of the Oppressed" by Paulo Freire
Summary: Freire argues for a model of education that empowers students to critically examine their social conditions and work towards social change. He critiques traditional education models as oppressive and advocates for a dialogical approach where students and teachers learn from each other. Freire's work is foundational in progressive education, emphasizing the need for education to transform society and liberate individuals from oppressive systems. You will often find his works quoted at the highest levels of our education system. You should really read this if you don't read anything else.

"Revolutionary Suicide" by Huey P. Newton
Summary: Newton, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, discusses the need for revolutionary education to awaken the consciousness of oppressed people. He emphasizes the importance of political education to equip individuals with the knowledge and skills to challenge and change oppressive structures.
His work highlights the role of education in revolutionary movements and social change, focusing on consciousness-raising and empowerment.

"The Conquest of Bread" by Peter Kropotkin
Summary: Kropotkin advocates for a society based on mutual aid and cooperation rather than competition. He discusses the need for a radical rethinking of social structures, including education, to achieve a more equitable society.
Kropotkin’s ideas on education are about creating conditions for a cooperative society, which aligns with progressive goals of equity and social justice.

Those are just a few influential works among American progressives. I could list more. I know you want to believe everything exists in a bubble, but it's just not the case. You're just ignorant of how influential these ideas have become, especially in those circles. While I agree with you that politicians are not powerful, when ideas become memes, they become dangerous without pushback.

American ambivalence, particularly among the moderates, is allowing all manners of disasters into our political class. The establishment embraces it because it gives them more power. American ambivalence is ceding its power to the elites, and they are co-opting virtually every form of societal manipulations that sprung out of the left to destroy American identity, liberty, and opportunity. They are creating a new working class that is global and dependent on them for any level of comforts. You see this as some giant conspiracy, but you just need to look at the trends. You're way too focused on the individual data points.

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