(06-29-2024, 02:24 PM)copycat Wrote:

(06-29-2024, 12:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: Biden is on serious decline but he's not so far gone that the 25th amendment applies.  Not even close.  25th was for situations like when Woodrow Wilson had a stroke (they didn't have the amendment at the time and it was a problem) and it was also for the hypothetical "what if Kennedy survived getting shot but wasn't well afterwards?". It's not for, "man he's not himself anymore." It's for "This guy can't form a complete sentence at this point" or "this guy is forgetting things that just happened".

My memory is fuzzy, but weren’t there calls to use the 25th on Trump a few years back?  And If I am not mistaken you were a proponent weren’t you?

There were indeed calls to use the 25th section 4 as soon as Trump's cabinet was put together in 2017.

And there were more and louder calls from actual members of Congress right after Jan 6 and yes I did agree with that for a couple of days. 

The thought was that Trump might try again to get folks to kill or maim members of government who were going to let Biden take office.  But after Trump called off the dogs around 3:30 pm Jan 6, he didn't try to call them back again so it was a moot point.  

If you are actively and violently working against the duly elected government you are unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office.  It's not what they had in mind when they wrote the amendment, but, it's necessary for the whole country to take a broad interpretation when democracy itself is at stake. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.  

In this case, with Biden, some Democrats may feel like the 25th should be invoked, but that would just be for the good of their party, not for democratically elected government as a whole.

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(06-29-2024, 08:04 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:

(06-29-2024, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: When America is weak, the world falls into chaos. When a sitting President is obviously infirm but the abetting press carries the party water until it can't be hidden any longer, America falls into chaos. 

The world needs a strong America. America needs a strong, and honest, press. We see both failing miserably right now.

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Will you be voting for him anyway?

I will vote for Trump and not afraid to say it.  Trump is a Liar, Trump is a Hypocrite, Trump is a bs artist, Trump is  a lot of things.  I also am smart enough to know that Biden is just as bad but hides it better.  Trump is who he is like it or not.  Biden is just a movie Star.  The 2 most important issues effecting my life is the border (limits America's employment opportunists,Fills America's School's and hospitals up, Some are criminals, Takes America's resources while shipping money back to theirs, and is breaking the Law the moment they step on this turf illegally). I am not against imigration but I am against unregulated or uncontrolled regulation. The border is out of control and Terrorist have gotten into this country.  America is being invaded by the millions and sooner or later it will effect you.  Some of these immigrants openly hate America.  The other issue is the economy.  Joe has no answers to solving this inflation crisis. The liberals are too busy sending Billions to Ukraine while putting America Last. 

I will take the tough lucid criminal over the babbling weak old man.  Like it or not that is the 2 choices.  You can go RFK Jr but we know an independent is not going to win. if you want to talk about the real threat to Democracy look at the feeble old man with border line dementia with the nuclear codes in his pocket.

Trump has no answers on inflation either. Tariffs and income tax cuts will juice inflation bigly.

On the border I agree with you.  People should never be crossing our border without permission.  Whether you think a lot of people should get permission or only a small number, I am ambivalent, but I don't understand just allowing people to come over without permission.

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