(07-15-2024, 09:07 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-15-2024, 08:27 AM)Sneakers Wrote: Drone surveillance will probably become standard protocol after this incident.  Sometimes the simplest measures are the most easily overlooked. 

The article suggesting uncertainty over the possibility that it was just a telescope or camera is ridiculous.  The counter snipers were at a distance of maybe 400', looking through their own scopes and binoculars, in open daylight.  There's no way the weapon could have been mistaken for anything else.

You keep missing the point.
If a rifle was identified or even suspected, Trump should have been hustled off the stage that very second.
That's obvious.
The "who should shoot first" thing is an ethical and legal dilemma, especially when the suspect is on separate private property. 
Running the protectee off stage as quickly as possible harms no one and presents no dilemma.

Agreed on Trump being hustled off the stage. Completely disagree with the "Who should shoot first" and "ethical" and "legal" dilemma. He was 130 yards away with a clear and clean vantage point. With his rifle facing towards the stage, directly aimed at his target (Trump). 

Not behind the stage, not elevated to the left or right wing of the stage with his scope and barrel facing outward and away from the stage. You can try and slice and dice this nonsense up anyway you want to. 

It's a bad SOP, the whole idea of actually allowing someone to [BLEEP] point a gun at you and then proceed to shoot FIRST, and then have your team react AFTER? That is [BLEEP] wild. There is no practical application for that. 

Our law enforcement does not behave this way. Clearly, as the defund movement made it their mission in life to probably create dumb [BLEEP] SOP's just like this SOP that could have potentially had Trump killed yesterday. 

Bottomline is this, if you look suspicious, and, you have a gun CLEARLY [BLEEP] aiming at a high profile target? I am going to shoot you first and deal with all the other nonsense later that comes with that. The amount of technical [BLEEP] that people are trying to point out with this is mind numbing. 

Again, as I asked earlier in this thread. Property or not. Somebody waves or aims a gun at you? Are you going to assume there's a Gentleman's Agreement in the air between yourself and this shooter? Or, if you have the means? Are you going to defend yourself first? 

It's just illogical to think otherwise. Again, ZERO practical sense there.

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