(07-15-2024, 12:00 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-15-2024, 10:55 AM)Jag149 Wrote: I have read your response. I looked for the facts and found none. What I found were your opinions. Now that is fine but they are neither facts or logic. Come on your better than that.

Fact: Trump still believes he won in 2020
Fact: He did not win
Fact: Because the election was stolen through voter and election fraud.

Logic: Given these two  three facts, he will should try to change election procedures going forward if he becomes President.

Possible logical opinion 1: this threatens preserves democracy.
Possible logical opinion 2: he won't be able to do anything because elections are run at the state level corruption is far too deep.

Here I can see room to have either one opinion.

Fact: Trump had about 8 weeks to plan for January 6, whatever he was actually planning, that's how long he had to plan it.
Fact: Trump told his followers to go to the Capitol
Fact: Trump knew there was violence at the Capitol within minutes of his speech ending. 
Fact: Trump then waited three hours before telling them to be peaceful and two more hours before telling them to go home.
Fact: Trump still hasn't apologized for this
Fact: Trump wasn't wrong.

Logic: if Trump hadn't told the people gathered for his speech to go to the Capitol, the eventual crowd at the Capitol would have been much smaller, fewer cops would have been assaulted, and perhaps Pelosi's estimate of the security need would have been correct.

Logically justifiable opinion 1: Trump was primarily responsible for how far the violence went.
Logically justifiable opinion 2: Trump wanted the violence to continue for at least those three hours.
Logically justifiable opinion 3: the whole thing wasn't a serious threat, but if Trump had had more time he could have planned something more serious.

Here I see no room to form any logical positive opinion of what Trump is saying and what he did Mikesez thinks.