(07-22-2024, 11:22 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote:

(07-22-2024, 10:24 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: So, in your mind Harris alone would have gotten 14M votes and been the nominee in the primary or no?  The Democrat voters either chose their nominee or they didn't.  One is a democratic process, the other isn't regardless of how it transpired.

FWIW, I hope she's the nominee at this point.  She's tied to the record of the past 4 years and to listen to her speak will probably push those on the fence toward Trump.

Biden/Harris was the only name on the ticket.  I could have gotten 14m votes if my name was the only name on the ticket.  I'm stating 31m no-shows speaks higher volume.  If the Dems are upset about the process, they can vote Trump or simply not vote.   Personally, I'd prefer Joe Manchin but I think it's only right to nominate Kamala as the candidate.  If the Dems lose or even if they win, perhaps I'll get Manchin in 2028 via a true Primary which is fine with me.

To be honest, I'm not afraid of a Trump victory ..... I WAS fearing a Biden victory as of late so I'm ok with the options as currently anticipated (Trump vs Harris)

Yes, you've been a reasonable and relatively moderate opposition voice which I greatly respect.  However, we're having a back and forth on the comment I made regarding subverting Democracy which you took issue with and I explained was due to the fact that Harris was selected and not elected.  You're forgetting or avoiding the hypothetical I posed of her having to go through an open primary this past year on her own and refusing to opine on what you think her chances would have been.  

This will have been 2 of the last 3 Democratic primaries where the will of the people was not necessarily honored or, in the case this year, even needed.  In 2016, super delegates pledged extremely early for Hillary which not only gave her a significant lead in delegates, but likely swayed undecideds to the side of the presumed winner and/or encouraged some Bernie supporters to just stay home.   Even in 2020, certain candidates with no chance of winning stayed in the race longer than usual in what appeared to be an effort to thwart Bernie's chances, though admittedly it may not have mattered that year as Biden was seen as a connection to the popular on the left Obama years anyway.  (If Biden in fact made a deal for Pocahontas to say in the race to peel voters off of Bernie, kudos for good primary election strategy on his part)

I completely agree that given the current scenario and circumstances, she is the rightful candidate and I believe she's the only one that has a legitimate claim on Biden's existing war chest of campaign funds as well.

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