(08-03-2024, 09:08 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(08-03-2024, 01:01 PM)cland Wrote: I disagree with this to some extent.  A good example is how the Shanahan offense has started to take over the league.  First it was just Denver, then it spread to Houston, Rams, 49ers, Detroit, and finally back to Houston.  New Orleans will run it this year with Klint Kubiak.  

I think West Coast is similar to 4-3, in the sense that it is a big descriptor but there are many different ways to run it.

You both have good points. It all boils down to which stance you want to take, some will argue "It's Jimmy's and Joe's, not X's and O's", others will say, "A good coach can feel out their roster and mid game put their Jimmy's and Joe's in the best possible plays to work to their advantage". 

The problem is that, both arguments have a common denominator. Once the rubber meets the road? It's all situational and adjustments have to be made in real time. Best examples I can think of fall back on the Patriots in their two biggest Superbowl victories.

The win over Seattle and the win over Atlanta. Because of a bad play call at the goal line, with, at the time? One of the top, if not, best short yardage backs in the business in Lynch? The Seahawks did the unthinkable and choked with the victory right there for the taking. A simple play call changes the course of two dynasties and legacies there. 

The Atlanta game? Kyle should have tried taking more air out of the football and bleeding the clock dry. It's as simple as that. His unwillingness to adapt and change mid game enabled one of the greatest choke jobs in NFL history. 

We can argue about, "Well, it's the Patriots! It's Brady!". Okay, let's, again, flip it back to their losses with the Giants, twice, and then the Eagles. Those teams were talented, however, at the time, the Giants went toe-to-toe with an undefeated football team, something that had not been done since the 1970's. Because of the coaching decisions in those games? And, a little luck? 

They got it done. Big time players make big time plays. Good coaches get the most out of those players. We'll find out what Jacksonville has this season. If they fall short? Somebody is getting the boot. While I don't feel it'll be Pederson personally. I could see this being Baalke's last stint and/or Taylor's if the offense does not take the step forward they we were expecting last year.

It's both, it's Jimmy's and Joe's and X's and O's.  You have to have the players but you have to have to call the right plays and have a better scheme/ play calls to get the most out of the players and for them to play at their best.  2 coaches could have the same play book and each could call 2 different games with the some play book and you can see 2 different outcomes.  Play calling is a huge part and if it wasn't you wouldn't see multiple defensive and offensive coordinators getting fired each year. 

 Doug's play calling is one of the things that make him a great coach.  He needs to take that role back imo and then there are no excuse.  Shad Khan agrees and Doug said he will take Shads opinion into account when making the decision on who calls plays.  I feel like that's one of the reasons Shad brought Doug here to coach the team.   I think Doug ends up the play caller for that reason at the very least.

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