(08-26-2024, 04:17 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(08-26-2024, 03:37 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: But that's exactly what you said.  In cases of rape or incest, you would allow an abortion, "Because in those cases the mother wasn't a negligent or willing participation to the creation."  So if the mother was a negligent or willing participant in the creation, you would force her to have the child.  You are punishing the mother. 

My question is, is it a child or not?  Why would it be okay to kill the child because it was created through rape or incest?  If you are pro-life, because aborting an unborn child is murder, making an exception for rape or incest doesn't make sense.  

I'll try to answer this the best that I can without getting into the religion aspect.

Most people believe that the creation of a child is from love and mutual understanding.

In a case of incest (rare) it's usually a violent crime of an adult against a minor.  As an example, if a 40 year old father has sex with his 14 year old daughter it's a violent crime.  It doesn't matter if the 14 year old daughter "loves" daddy that much.  It's a crime and "violent" if daddy takes her virginity.  That 14 year old daughter should not have her life ruined because of an un-planned pregnancy, especially as a result of a violent crime.  She would have a really tough and terrible life as would the child that she doesn't know to or have the means to raise.  In this case an early termination of the pregnancy is justified.  Yes it is still a child, but in this case termination would be the better choice.

The same goes for the victim of rape.  It is a violent and traumatic experience for a woman.  There is nothing about love or respect about it, it's a violent attack.  Again, it makes no sense to force the woman to change her life, perhaps in a drastic way in order to raise the child.  In this case than yes, I find it acceptable for the woman to terminate the pregnancy.

In both cases, yes it is a child.  I don't like the idea of terminating it's existence, but in my mind it's justified.

In the case of the mother that is a "willing or negligent" participant in the creation.  She made her choice and needs to deal with it.  Caldarac has the right idea about all of that.  Abortion should not be a form of birth control.