(09-03-2024, 11:46 AM)copycat Wrote:

(09-03-2024, 07:00 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: You misinterpret what I said.  What I was trying to say was that whether you believe that a machine can be human depends on whether you believe in the supernatural.  If you don't believe in the supernatural, then you only believe in the natural world which is governed by the laws of nature, and if you believe that, then you should believe that humans are machines.  Then you would believe that, depending on our expertise at science, we can create machines that are human.  

As to your statement, if two humans have the same life experiences, then they would think, believe, and behave identically, I would say that if two identical humans had exactly the same life experiences, they would indeed believe and behave identically.  Those two people would have to start with the exact same biology because we are governed by our biology as well as our experiences.  For example, identical twins who have exactly the same life experiences.  Those two people would think, believe, and behave identically.  But it can't happen because they can't have exactly the same life experiences.  They are not in the same body and in the exact same spot looking out at the world in the same direction at all times.  But if you believe there can be a parallel universe, then a person in a parallel universe who is identical to you and who has the exact same life experiences would then inevitably behave exactly as you do in this universe.

So on the question of whether a machine could ever be so human-like we can't tell the difference, I would have to say yes.

AI should only operate on logical conclusions.  Humans will add emotions to conclusions that machines cannot have.  That machine will always operate according to its programming in theory.  Until a machine can over rule logical conclusions with irrational ones it cannot be conscious.