(09-13-2024, 02:32 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(09-13-2024, 12:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: They did have additional security.  They had enough to prevent harm to officials.  They just didn't have enough to keep people out of the building or enough to maintain order in the building.  They underestimated. 

They did not want it to happen.

Trump wanted it to happen.

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To direct them away from the house chamber.

So what clear evidence is there of your fantasy?

Well, here are four things that might have happened.  And if they happened, together, they would be clear evidence that Trump wanted the violent riot to happen. 

1) Did he say he was going to go to the Capitol with his followers?
2) Was he aware in real time that the crowd got violent and the building was breached?
3) Was he aware that the crowd was carrying flags and signs indicating they supported him?
4) Did he wait about three hours before asking his supporters to go home?

It's a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

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(09-13-2024, 02:43 PM)Sneakers Wrote:

(09-13-2024, 02:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: You keep on throwing out irrelevant facts as if they disprove anything I said.
If two men break into my house and try to rob me while I'm home, but my shotgun is adequate to scare them off, does that mean my life was never in danger? Does that mean they committed no crime?

LOL.  That the difference between us, I throw out actual facts.  

Yes, if there was sufficient security to "prevent harm to officials" (as you now claim), their lives were never in danger (as you previously claimed).

I checked 3 dictionaries, Webster's, Cambridge and mikesez.  in 2 out of 3, dying is considered harmful to one's health.

Did they know at the time that their lives were not in danger?
Did the police know when the battle began that they would win?

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(09-13-2024, 02:44 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:

(09-13-2024, 02:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: So you think Pelosi wanted Congress to be attacked, but Trump didn't?

Pelosi and the liberals would want to paint Trump and the Republicans in the worst light possible and what better way to do that then to use the situation to create chaos. Pelosi's inaction (by not activating the National Guard to help with crowd control) pretty much guaranteed chaos. Relying on the small number of Capitol police to control the crowds they were expecting is a JV move and Pelosi is not JV.

But don't you remember that recording of Pelosi talking to her daughter? Where she said the inadequate number of security staff was her fault? Did she sound like someone who did that on purpose, or like someone who made a mistake?

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