(09-17-2024, 04:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(09-17-2024, 03:51 PM)Caldrac Wrote: If you had the world's fastest race car, would you prefer the world's most qualified racer behind the wheel or a 16 year old with his freshly printed driver's permit behind the wheel?

It's really mind numbing to see both sides of this argument having staunch supporters of an all or nothing attitude camp wise.

The "It's the players and poor execution camp" Vs. "It's the the coaching and poor play design camp". It's both, it's [BLEEP] both!

Why can't anybody admit that? Why is that complicated to understand here? Again, you can have:

1. The right call with the wrong execution.

2. The wrong call with the right execution.

3. The right call with the right execution.

4. The wrong call with the wrong execution.

It's a soup. At this level? You're going to see people nitpick every little attention to detail.

It's a group project though, every week, there's film study, a gameplan installed, it's then practiced based upon the script, and then, some adjustments are made or failed to be made mid game.

When you weigh it all out though? Somebody has to unfortunately carry the heaviest of the burden after each loss because it's a sum of all things, however, somebody's sum, or, lack thereof, completely [BLEEP] the project up.

It's possible to lose football games even if your QB goes 25/25, 275 yards with 3 TD's and no turnovers.

It's possible to lose football games when you only score 20 points via a pair of TD's and 2 FG's but your opponent managed to score 21 points by simply doing enough 7 times to enable their kicker to make 7 FG's.

It's just the way it goes. Players need to catch virtually everything. Lawrence basically has to play perfectly. The team in general cannot afford to turn it over. The team cannot have mental errors in the redzone. The team cannot keep failing on short yardage situations. The defense cannot give up 16 play drives for 80 yards and nearly 8:00 - 9:00 minutes of time to the opposing offense.

Like Trevor said. They all suck. The players need to play better and the coaches need to coach better. Is the "It's the players and the poor execution" camp going to round up Trevor for that comment? And throw him off the Modis building for calling out the coaching staff after he's been with them for two years now entering year three?

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Putting a different human in Press Taylor's place to call Doug Pederson's plays in Doug Pederson's offense has got to be the half-est of half-measures I could think of to alter the course of our offense. 

I think getting TL's drop back pressure percentage form 47% down to 25% would make about 1000 times more positive impact. 
That's a lot of "wrong execution" that is easily identifiable and often results with passing production left unfulfilled.

But sure. There are likely  better play callers out there, I'm sure. No idea what real effect it would have, though.
Doug is free to intervene all he wants with what Press (or any coordinator) is doing. None of us actually know how many plays on Sunday were called by Doug, how many were called by Press, or how many Press called that Doug altered.

It's called game flow and experience. Some guys have a better sense of this based on their experience. Some guys are lining up plays 3, 4 sequences in advance anticipating that they're going to strike gold on that 4th or 5th sequence.

They have intuition. They may see something the other guy doesn't. They may feel something is off and actually back off that play or alter something based on what they sense. Could be subtle. Could be massively monumental.

There's something to be said to that argument. I defended Press last year. A lot. I also haven't outright said he's the issue or that Doug needs to take over the playcalling like a fully fledged OC.

I get a sense that it's still relatively the same that it's been since 2022 responsibility wise and maybe just a little bit more has been put on PT's plate since 2023 so DP can focus on the totality of the team.

He's still very much involved offensively. It was made obvious by he and Trevor's interactions on the sideline in between timeouts and commercial timeouts.

It's no different than what Reid was doing with Bieniemy in KC before he split for Washington and they had their questionable rough patches as well with Mahomes and Bieniemy getting into spats.

It's a process. I have said this several times as well. This team is streaky. That's just the nature of it with Doug. They'll eventually get on a hot streak and keep it going and hopefully avoid growing cold again.

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(09-17-2024, 04:12 PM)carp8dm Wrote:

(09-17-2024, 04:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: No. The offense  in 2022 was good in spurts but sorely lacked downfield throwing and struggled mightily at times. 

You are attempting revisionist history to make a poorly formed point.

I totally disagree.  This offense in 2022 looked like a real NFL offense.  Everyone that remembers 2022 remembers how great this offense looked.  Yeah, there were games where Trevor wet the bed...  The London game comes to mind...  But even that game, Trevor drove us down the field constantly.

I remember people, including myself, at awe with how few 3 and outs we had.  We moved the ball.  We had route concepts that rivaled KC's.  Our O-Line was suspect and people were worried, yes even back then, that Trevor was going to get killed behind that line.

But we kept defenses on their heels and we played great.  What's more, we would look bad in the 1st half, and then...  in the 2nd half WE MADE ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm not being revisionist when I call back to 2022.  But maybe 2022 was the outlier.  I don't want to believe that.  But I clearly remember how good this offense was back then.  What changed and continues to not be corrected since then is the question.  To me, I think it's Doug's decision to allow his OC to have more control...

Maybe I'm wrong.  I hope I'm not.  Because if I'm wrong, then I guess we have to start all over again.  There will never be an O-Line that everyone is satisfied with, not in this league.  There will always be pressure on the QB.  It's the name of the game.  But the hope is that you have a HC and OC that can figure out how to get his players in the best position on most plays to get positive yardage.

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2022 was Doug calling 1st halves and Press calling 2nd halves. They were a 2nd half football team in 2022.

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