(09-17-2024, 04:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(09-17-2024, 04:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Putting a different human in Press Taylor's place to call Doug Pederson's plays in Doug Pederson's offense has got to be the half-est of half-measures I could think of to alter the course of our offense. 

It's called game flow and experience. Some guys have a better sense of this based on their experience. Some guys are lining up plays 3, 4 sequences in advance anticipating that they're going to strike gold on that 4th or 5th sequence.

They have intuition. They may see something the other guy doesn't. They may feel something is off and actually back off that play or alter something based on what they sense. Could be subtle. Could be massively monumental.

There's something to be said to that argument. I defended Press last year. A lot. I also haven't outright said he's the issue or that Doug needs to take over the playcalling like a fully fledged OC.

I get a sense that it's still relatively the same that it's been since 2022 responsibility wise and maybe just a little bit more has been put on PT's plate since 2023 so DP can focus on the totality of the team.

He's still very much involved offensively. It was made obvious by he and Trevor's interactions on the sideline in between timeouts and commercial timeouts.

It's no different than what Reid was doing with Bieniemy in KC before he split for Washington and they had their questionable rough patches as well with Mahomes and Bieniemy getting into spats.

It's a process. I have said this several times as well. This team is streaky. That's just the nature of it with Doug. They'll eventually get on a hot streak and keep it going and hopefully avoid growing cold again.

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Caldrac, I respect your views.  You always discuss things with others in a respectful way.  I appreciate that.

With that said.  I continue to disagree with alot of folks regarding 2022 versus the rest of what we've watched with this offense in 2023 and this season.  I just don't see the same offense now like we had back in Doug's first year.  The offense in 2022 was so much more dynamic and explosive, not to mention unpredictable, compared to what we've seen last year and onto this season.

Maybe I'm wrong.  If I am, is there anything you could point out that could help me "see the light"?

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(09-17-2024, 04:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(09-17-2024, 04:12 PM)carp8dm Wrote: I totally disagree.  This offense in 2022 looked like a real NFL offense.  Everyone that remembers 2022 remembers how great this offense looked.  Yeah, there were games where Trevor wet the bed...  The London game comes to mind...  But even that game, Trevor drove us down the field constantly.

I remember people, including myself, at awe with how few 3 and outs we had.  We moved the ball.  We had route concepts that rivaled KC's.  Our O-Line was suspect and people were worried, yes even back then, that Trevor was going to get killed behind that line.

But we kept defenses on their heels and we played great.  What's more, we would look bad in the 1st half, and then...  in the 2nd half WE MADE ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm not being revisionist when I call back to 2022.  But maybe 2022 was the outlier.  I don't want to believe that.  But I clearly remember how good this offense was back then.  What changed and continues to not be corrected since then is the question.  To me, I think it's Doug's decision to allow his OC to have more control...

Maybe I'm wrong.  I hope I'm not.  Because if I'm wrong, then I guess we have to start all over again.  There will never be an O-Line that everyone is satisfied with, not in this league.  There will always be pressure on the QB.  It's the name of the game.  But the hope is that you have a HC and OC that can figure out how to get his players in the best position on most plays to get positive yardage.

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I'm sorry - this is fantasy ^

That is not how it went down. You are conveniently forgetting the negative aspects of that offense. 

Does no one remember losing 5 straight games that included three games of horrible passing production? 
And the complaints about the dink and dunk boring play calls?

The Philly game, the Denver game, were the 2 I remember being absolutely miserable.

And then, after the Denver game, everything changed.

It's not fantasy.  It happened. 

And even in the games we lost, there were glimpses of explosiveness.  But we continued to wet the bed in the red zone.  After the Denver game, we flipped that script.  

That happened.  It wasn't fantasy.

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