(09-18-2024, 09:21 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(09-18-2024, 09:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: You are a VERY confused person. 

I'm sorry you vomited that word salad for nothing. 

I'll make it easier for you by breaking it down. 

I said we live in an age of disinformation and misinformation. 
We do. 
We are bombarded by it from every angle via internet and media of all sorts. 
Please don't tell me you have issue with that basic truth. 

You have repeatedly shown an affinity to lap it up like a starved kitten when you've advanced unfounded garbage on this MB on at least 7 occasions I can actually think of and certainly many more I've ignored. 

Was the Haitians eating pets thing technically one or the other? Mis...? dis...? 

Not worth arguing over - it was garbage either way and I never labeled it either.

He doesn't believe in truth, he believes in narrative. And he insists he must believe that because long ago the Marxists gave up their pursuit of truth and embraced narrative, and to fail to engage them on that level is unilateral disarmament.  If you don't see this you are either deluded or attempting to delude him, he says.

And, cards on the table, he's not totally wrong.  We as individuals do decide that certain truths are meaningful, and others are not, and we take our meaningful truths and build narratives with them.  Some of the Marxists that remain out there in the field have indeed embraced storytelling rather than academic argument as their vehicle of persuasion.  He has decided to assign meaning to this small number of Marxists and dedicate himself to countering them.  I don't begrudge him that.

Where I draw the line is, don't lie! Select your truths, sure, but don't embrace lies.  He doesn't draw the line there.

One more thing on this (and good job, Mikey), it's not a small number of Marxists. This didn't even fall out of the Marx tree. 

Narrative driven language in constructing truth was developed by Michel Foucault. He looked at the power of language in creating world views. It's post-modern in its thought, which was born from disillusioned Marxists when it was clear that Communism wasn't the answer. I have said repeatedly that I don't think I'm fighting Marxism. I'm fighting what I call techno-feudalism. Authority figures have co-opted the tools of Marxist radicals to focus and further entrench their power. 

Bottom line: You will not clean up narrative driven movements until you are aware the elites are the problem.

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