(09-23-2024, 11:18 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:

(09-23-2024, 11:05 PM)enigma Wrote: Yep.

Great QBs can lift their teams and elevate the play of the others around them. Jayden is off to a good start but I'm not one to quickly crown someone a superstar or bust immediately.

TLaw is the type of QB that REQUIRES other players to play at a certain level for him to play well at this point. I just thought we were getting a QB better than that honestly.

And at $55 million/year, its gonna sting a little bit more sadly.

But it is not really $55 million a year. If we are going to have this conversation let's do it honestly.

Also EVERY QB require players of certain level to perform to a good standard. Basically every MVP, All-Pro, Super Bowl winning QB has another offensive player who is HoF or All -Pro caliber. And the few that don't are no doubt HoF's.

Every contending Super Bowl winning QB typically has a HoF coach. McVeigh is definitely trending that way. Gary Kubiak, Brian Billick, John Gruden, Mike Holgrem, Bruce Arians, and early career Mike McCarthy are just a notch or few below that level and most with HoF level Qb's.That leaves Doug Pederson and it's pretty clear the 2017 Eagles are the flukiest champion of the past 30 years. who won't but he is much better than any coach the Jags have had in 2 decades. Doug Pedersen is basically the only e

Now if you were expected a future HoF, I don't know what to tell you.

But he can still be damn good, and can still win a SB in the right situation. My point being that ever QB has to be in the right situation to succeed.

Plus if you are looking to but bait, it is more likely the Jags are waiting another 10-15 years to find a QB with this level of potential again.

Pretty much this. We’ve given him Meyer, Press Taylor, clowns at O-Line, a GM who couldn’t draft the easiest no brainer 1st overall pick and went with a project instead…..the ONLY thing I’ll give these critics is he’s been given good receivers. But even then, they’ve ghosted. Engram is injured but Kirk dropped of the face of earth. And we can’t run the ball dominantly. So I don’t know what to tell anyone. You can only elevate so much out of a 100 foot hole

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(09-23-2024, 11:24 PM)ClemsonOrangeJaguar Wrote:

(09-23-2024, 11:07 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: I love how people forget how Manning and Brady (truly great QBs) made scrub O-lineman (WRs too) look like All Pros. It's like Beadles was never a jag.

Brady and Peyton playing behind OLs among dead last in time to throw in the NFL is news to me. Of course during 40 years combined during their careers you can find seasons with below average OL play, but for the most part they played behind really good OLs. Brady elevated his WRs way beyond their talent, Manning did too but he was a HOFer throwing to two HOFers in Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison. Calling them scrubs is the most interesting NFL take I've read in awhile

Yeah Brady played with scrubs at receiver but if you have good protection you can make it work

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