(09-25-2024, 11:21 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:

(09-25-2024, 10:45 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: BTW, I also don't remember Manning, Brady or Mahomes really having any problems with any of their OCs. Brady made McDaniels look like a genius (some of you even wanted him as a HC lol) and he was awful with the Broncos and Raiders.

Once again, like most people have already said, Lawrence is not the main problem, he is part of it, especially if you are paying him like a top/elite QB (which he clearly isn't and never will be).

Well Andy Reid is the real OC so of course Mahomes is on his team. If Trevor had Reid, don't you think it would be a little different? If he had Shanny, McVay, LaFleur, OcConnell, McDaniel.....

Just wait. If it doesn't get fixed here, Trevor will be pushed out of town and people like those coaches I mentioned will be slobbering over themselves to get Trevor.

I agree with this. There's still a ton of upside with Trevor. A good coach could correct his course and call a good game to set him up for success. 

(09-25-2024, 11:36 AM)TDOSS Wrote:

(09-25-2024, 10:45 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: BTW, I also don't remember Manning, Brady or Mahomes really having any problems with any of their OCs. Brady made McDaniels look like a genius (some of you even wanted him as a HC lol) and he was awful with the Broncos and Raiders.

Once again, like most people have already said, Lawrence is not the main problem, he is part of it, especially if you are paying him like a top/elite QB (which he clearly isn't and never will be).

I've seen so many below average QBs that has exit good coaches out the league because of their unabilities to perform. I've also seen bad coaches hinder good QBs. But at some point you have to draw a line in the sand and basically fault the player for their failures if you are under 2 3 coaches within four seasons of your career and it is not working. Its a YOU problem, not solely always a management problem.

Trevor will most likely benefit from another fresh start but its only a matter of time we are back at square one discussing how everything else sucks and he needs more help.

It's a bit of both here. A lot of people feel that Lawrence is trying to find the big play on every down instead of taking the easy stuff underneath sometimes. Orlvosky in particular recently called this out on ESPN. Ryan also thinks he's still needing to work on his short to medium passing game with touch, etc. 

Coaching can fix a lot of this. Lawrence also has to meet the staff in the middle here and learn to do the same. Again, though, as it's been cited a few times and shared. 

A lot of poorly designed play calls or executed play calls also don't help him out. Going into gun with four receivers just running go routes or all curl routes doesn't do anything for him. 

Strange not picking up the right defender to set up a pick play for Etienne to get more open on his long route out of the backfield is another example. Sure, his turnovers have been bad, so have the drops, so have the pass pressures and sacks allowed, so has the short yardage run game, etc. 

It's a big pie with plenty of blame to go around. I have more of an issue with what Baalke's done and what Pederson's done more so than what's going on with Lawrence at the moment.

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