(09-26-2024, 03:28 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:

(09-26-2024, 01:05 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: I get the coaching and the play calling is an issue but lets focus on EXECUTION.  When Trevor has the open man he too often either misses the pass or throws it to the wrong man.  Regardless of what he wants to do it's not working. Coaches can tell a QB a million times what the correct thing to do but the QB has to do it.  QB's make their living on passes less than 20 yards.  Lawrence struggles with ball placement, accuracy, touch, wrong reads just way too often for a "star" QB in his 4th year.  Josh Allen on Monday night looked like an NFL QB while Lawrence looked like a Jacksonville Shark QB. Also real QB's elevate the team around them.  Brady did far more with far less.  Lawrence is paid and looked at one of those elite QB but HIS PLAY is not living up to it.

1. At any point in the NFL there are maybe 2-3 QB's that "elevate the play" of the offense no matter what the offense consistently. He has had flashes which a lot of quarterbacks will have. I'm sorry he is not going to be a no doubt HoF QB no matter what. That doesn't mean he cannot be a Super Bowl winning QB. Not all those guys have to be HoF's.

2. The players you are comparing Lawrence to are like true vets. Josh Allen is 28yo and in his 7th year and finally not doing stupid TOs. The Tom Brady you are talking about was in his 6th year and 28 yo.  Trevor is in his 4th season and 24 yo with 1 year with basically no coaching. 

3. Trevor is a rhythm QB who needs pocket space. Has Trevor made a lot of mistakes this year, yes. But he get 0 easy throws to get into a rhythm. Even when he gets throws on target, they are basically for no yards, dropped, or he is pressured and has to give up on the play. For a young player who has to get into a rhythm, that makes sense. Do you want him to eventually grow into a guy who can get himself into a rhythm, sure. But everything in this situation he currently is in makes hard for him to do that.

4. Despite all the "running focus", they still cannot consistently run the ball and even when they do -- they fumble. So teams basically can focus everything on the passing game and messing with Lawrence.

Have you ever heard of a Pareto chart? Y'all keep harping on Trevor like he is the no.1 thing on that chart. He is not. He certainly has issues he has to fix. But this team needs to fix all those other higher priority thing first, and that will take a few years. By that point you will know what you have in Trevor, can move on and go trying to find a better QB if you need to.

This is not a franchise that has a winning culture and yearly contender status. You don't just microwave that without FO/Coaching infrastructure.

Mahomes would not be as elite if he had been drafted by the John Fox Chicago Bears or Doug Marrone/Coughlin Jacksonville Jaguars. Allen and Lamar would not be where they are now if they had been drafted by Hue Jackson/Freddie Kitchens Cleveland Browns or the Todd Bowles or Adam Gase NY Jets. Them getting draft to stable smart organizations that had been on recent playoff runs and/or good/great coaches helped them develop.

The main issue there are too man deficiencies that Trevor Lawrence has in his game.  You stated yourself with all those number points that he has to be in the right situation to succeed. The great ones do not need everything to be perfect around them to succeed. Lets cut through all the BS and call it like it is.  Trevor Lawrence is a below average player with Elite Player Talent. His career is at a crossroads right now.  He either rises to the occasion or he does not. I would not be saying this if he were playing well and the rest of the team is a trainwreck.  He is just as bad as a trainwreck as the rest of the team currently. You can't have it both ways.  You can't call him "the prince that was promised" meaning he will deliver us a good football team and then say he needs X,Y,Z, 1, 2, 3 to be successful.  I have watched the NFL over 30 years and know good QB's when I see them. Lawrence currently is not it. He has the potential but the NFL has a line miles long of PLayers will Lots of talent but never lived up to it.  If he starts playing better and showing that potential I will eat my crow and be happy about it.  Let me know when that happens.

*I also do not mean one game. I know if Trevor has one good 300 yard game the fans are just going to be drooling I told you so comments. I want to see it over a time frame and consistent like real NFL franchise QB's does. In his career, his TD and Yards are much lower than the elite QBs.

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