(09-30-2024, 12:04 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:

(09-29-2024, 11:52 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: lol. Garrard was consistent? You clearly were not around those days. That was Garrard biggest problem; he would tease you one week then have a terrible performance the

Bortles is not a better QB. You say put him in his prime? Bortles best season , 2017, was outperformed by Trevor in 2022 so no, he’s not better than what we’ve seen from Lawrence. He never had a true “prime”. Trevor hasn’t even come close to the some of the ineptitude Bortles produced (exhibit A: the foot interception, or the throw into the back of his teammates helmet. Butt fumble level). Also Bortles had a true number 1 receiver in A Rob in 2015 and 2016 so that’s also false.

You saying TL is worse than them really just shows how dumb you are when it comes to football. Guarantee if you sat 32 GMs down and asked them to pick from one of those three to draft in their “prime”, the answer is Trevor, every time.

Childish insults are the tools of the Feeblemind.

Just to shut you up with facts and not opinon.  David Garrard had a career rating of 85 vs Lawrence 84. David Garrard also was much more deadly with his legs.  I would 100% take David Garrard vs Trevor Lawrence both in their prime.

Bortles is close with Lawrence. Borltes career rating was 80 vs Lawrence 84 but again I would take a prime Bortles over a Prime Lawrence.   Even in 2022 Lawrence had moments of wild inconsistency.  Bortles had guts and used his legs wisely at times. He had his bad years but look who was his head coach, and look at his supporting staff.  For gods sake when Bortles was playing we would get blown out by 20 points and then have an Ice Cream party in the locker room.


Our current starting QB is no doubt one of the worst and possibly the worst in the league. Don't take my word on it.  Watch what the experts say like ex PLayers, hall of fame coaches, and others who do all the sports radio shows. There is a consensus. across the NFL that Lawrence isn't good.  I know I maybe being obtuse, but I think I am going to believe the Crews of NFL network and Espn (that consistent of said players and coaches I mentioned earlier) than the great genius SamasAranX over on the duval pride message board.

It's obvious you’re a blind fan/homer and I know nothing I can is going to convince you that Lawrence is a huge problem. Good luck with that, I choose to live in reality.

*feeble-minded

Reality is, he’s not the biggest problem on this team, and you contradict yourself in your own posts. 

Oh Garrard has a higher career rating! (of one point, off a much larger sample size by the way). So that’s gospel. But wait, Bortles has a lower career rating. So never mind, let’s not use that, I just still would “rather” have Bortles (suddenly an opinion not a fact). There’s statistics where Trevor is better than Garrard/ Bortles that I could throw out there.

Then you defend Bortles using the “look at his staff” but then aren’t given Trevor the same mulligan now when it’s clear he’s dealing with the same problem; a staff that has its head buried in the sand and won’t adjust this offense to what Trevor’s strengths are. There is also the urban year. Which other teams personnel have said really screwed up his career trajectory. 

He has no doubt regressed and I called him out today, and times past as well so I’m not a blind homer. I also never viewed him as an elite and think a more measured outlook was needed. Our difference of opinion lies in that I think Trevor can be, and most likely will be, a good starting QB in this league (most likely not with us). There’s only ONE, maybe two QBs in this league who truly transcend needing the right system and support in place to win consistently. Mahomes, possibly burrow. I can’t remember who said it, but often times it’s not just the QB you draft that matters, it’s where they go to as well. A prime example of this is Mayfield. Cleveland just churns QBs in and out. Mayfield wasn’t mahomes, got ran out, and is thriving in Tampa. The Jets. Did the same to Darnold. The Bears are doing it to Williams, and just did it to Fields. I mean, cmon man, you can’t tell me if Trevor was with Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay he wouldn’t be doing a lot better. If you do, I don’t think I can take your perspective as on of good faith. 

I legit am to the point where I think Jax is a QB shredder just like those franchises. We’re never going to draft a successful QB, not just because of evaluation, but because of our dysfunctional way of operating. Doesn’t matter how talented they are as a prospect. So in six years, God help us, we’ll be having this same conversation about the next poor sap we screwed the pooch on.

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