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Ventrell Miller

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(10-10-2024, 05:56 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(10-07-2024, 08:20 AM)Mikey Wrote: Wasn't BS, don't let your fandom cloud your judgment.

And also did anyone notice the clot got called for the same gesture BTJ got called for last Sunday? Looks like someone didn't study Jag film very well Big Grin


So it's bad to call out guys who are a liability?

Carp's not wrong, Johnson has at least one bad play for every good out there, he's great at laying lumber but sometimes we need smart play over aggression.

The mods just love to try and discredit me.  It's all good.  Johnson is clearly struggling this season.  Hopefully he improves. He's still young, and I shouldn't be so pessimistic about him.  And of course their hatred is off topic.

Getting back on Topic...

Ventrel Miller was drafted by Baalke...  Just like Johnson. There are dudes that think Baalke is trash.  I wonder if we should look at their prior blunders?  I always favor the players.  I'm happy Ventrel is getting his chance to shine.  Hopefully we can continue to develop the players we draft.

flsprtsgod pointed out how Johnson is still young and can develop.  I conceded that point.  I'm sure that flsprtsod trust that Baalke made the right pick.  Especially since it's clear that Miller was a great pick up.  Dude is balling!!!

Baalke makes some good picks, I've never denied that, and I also regularly tell you goofs to give these kids time to develop before you trash them (see Strange and Tank discussion from the last 12 months as an example). I also disagree with Baalke's fundamental process for building a team because he spends valuable capital on less valuable pieces. He's the guy who puts a fart can on his '02 Civic to make the 87hp hamster mobile sound like a muscle car when he had the money to buy a V8 Charger instead. When they took Bigsby that was the investment of a 1st, 3rd, 5th, and two 6th round picks into the running back position over three seasons while stuck with a line that's ineffective at run blocking. Does that make Bigsby a good or bad player? No, but he's a costly one; the value and opportunity cost are the issues. In the case of Miller I think the guy was taken to fit the old scheme and he'll have a low ceiling in the new one, that doesn't stop me from cheering for him when he's playing. 

Carp, you get way too emotional and hyperbolic over these players. You go so high and so low on them that you're constantly at war with yourself when they don't meet your expectations or when they outperform them. That's why you say stuff like "the O-line has played good all year" that's demonstrably untrue or when you continually harp on the play calling, you have to distort the past to buttress your current opinion. No one is trying to discredit you, they're trying to get you to see reality. It's not yet clear that Miller was a great pick, the guy's played like 5 games and only played really good in the tinhorns game. He's also injury prone and at 6 foot 220# just the size of a strong safety. He's definitely taking his opportunity and running with it, and I hope he keeps playing at this level, but if (when) he reverts to the mean you'll be going ape [BLEEP] about how he's not playing up to your standards.

Edit: just reflecting on this, Miller is also 25 years old. It's crazy to think that he's older than Trevor Lawrence but TLaw's been in the League 2 full seasons more than Miller. We really took a baby right out of the bassinet and threw him in the deep end of the pool,
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 09-29-2024, 07:43 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Jags32250 - 09-29-2024, 07:49 PM
Ventrell Miller - by Caldrac - 09-29-2024, 07:52 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 09-29-2024, 07:55 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 09-29-2024, 07:56 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 09-29-2024, 08:04 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by EricC85 - 09-29-2024, 08:19 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 09-29-2024, 08:22 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by EricC85 - 09-29-2024, 08:24 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by homebiscuit - 09-29-2024, 08:22 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by iHaunting Raven - 09-29-2024, 08:23 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by TTechJag85 - 09-29-2024, 08:27 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NH3 - 09-30-2024, 03:09 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Mikey - 09-30-2024, 09:31 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by jj82284 - 09-30-2024, 03:20 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by JaguarJosh2 - 09-30-2024, 04:16 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Jag88 - 09-30-2024, 05:28 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Thunderkyss - 09-30-2024, 01:38 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by JagFanatic24 - 09-30-2024, 02:09 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 09-30-2024, 02:18 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Mikey - 10-01-2024, 07:52 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by StrayaJag - 10-01-2024, 06:18 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-01-2024, 06:24 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by mikesez - 09-30-2024, 03:35 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Jagulars - 10-01-2024, 12:14 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by jessepeck1213 - 10-01-2024, 06:25 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-01-2024, 06:36 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-01-2024, 06:51 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-01-2024, 08:29 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-02-2024, 07:34 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-02-2024, 08:18 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-02-2024, 08:59 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Jag88 - 10-03-2024, 07:11 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Cleatwood - 10-02-2024, 09:02 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-02-2024, 09:08 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-02-2024, 11:05 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-02-2024, 06:03 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Holger - 10-03-2024, 05:12 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-03-2024, 05:50 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Caldrac - 10-03-2024, 06:41 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Holger - 10-03-2024, 08:00 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Jag88 - 10-03-2024, 08:29 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Caldrac - 10-03-2024, 08:31 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by StrayaJag - 10-05-2024, 03:42 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-06-2024, 06:19 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by carp8dm - 10-06-2024, 06:33 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-06-2024, 07:26 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by carp8dm - 10-06-2024, 07:59 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-06-2024, 08:02 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Mikey - 10-07-2024, 08:20 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-10-2024, 10:03 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by carp8dm - 10-10-2024, 05:56 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-11-2024, 05:46 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-11-2024, 10:09 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by surfon - 10-06-2024, 06:40 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by SuperJville - 10-06-2024, 06:56 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by carp8dm - 10-06-2024, 07:00 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by WhyWouldYouPostThat - 10-06-2024, 07:38 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-06-2024, 07:49 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-09-2024, 09:09 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Eric1 - 10-09-2024, 09:20 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-14-2024, 11:21 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-14-2024, 11:22 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-14-2024, 12:15 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-14-2024, 02:17 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-14-2024, 02:25 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-14-2024, 02:34 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-14-2024, 02:51 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-14-2024, 02:52 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Mikey - 10-14-2024, 04:29 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-14-2024, 04:34 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-14-2024, 05:10 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-14-2024, 05:16 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by jagsfan06 - 10-14-2024, 05:30 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Jaguarmeister - 10-14-2024, 05:33 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by StrayaJag - 10-14-2024, 09:15 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flgatorsandjags - 10-23-2024, 11:39 AM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-23-2024, 12:54 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by Jag88 - 10-23-2024, 03:48 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by flsprtsgod - 10-23-2024, 04:03 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by SuperJville - 10-27-2024, 12:15 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-27-2024, 06:08 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by The_Franchise_QB - 10-27-2024, 09:13 PM
RE: Ventrell Miller - by NYC4jags - 10-27-2024, 09:47 PM



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