(10-22-2024, 12:34 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:

(10-22-2024, 11:27 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: Is it really that bold? It’s being debated even now, whereas great players are generally acknowledged as being great. 

But to answer your question, he needs to at least start by making the routine throws routinely. He needs to elevate his teammates and not have to rely on people around him to elevate his play. He needs to make the plays he’s not supposed to make and win the games he shouldn’t. If you’re wanting specific stats, I think you’re barking up the wrong tree. It’s more of a “you know it when you see it” quality. Sometimes referred to as “the it factor”. I think Patrick Mahomes is a great QB. He has bad games too and misses throws but there’s no question Trevor isn’t on that level. He’s been playing long enough now that he is what he’s putting on tape.

With that said, he’s really good when he’s on and if he develops more consistency he’ll be the best QB we’ve had here. That’s probably enough that we should be happy. No reason to make him out to be something he’s not.

I think it's bold to proclaim someone will never be great who is 25 and has already shown flashes of being great.  In Peyton Mannings 4th year, he had 4100 yards with 26 TDs and 23 interceptions. The team went 6-10, fired Jim Mora and hired Dungy the next season. I'm not sure people were saying Peyton was so great back then but they likely were wondering if he had "It". Sometimes it takes a little bit but I have no doubt in my mind that Trevor will be great.

I think there are 3 truly great QBs in the league. Lamar, Allen and Mahomes.

I didn’t say he never would, I said it’s likely he never would. He’s 25 and has been a starter since he came in. It’s unusual for someone to change who they are after they get 50 or so starts under their belt. Sure, it’s possible but it’s not typical.

It’s semantics to a degree but good players can make great plays occasionally. Great players do it with greater regularity and are able to do it most reliably when it’s most needed.

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