(10-28-2024, 11:45 AM)cland Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 09:12 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: Every QB in this league plays games with turnovers. You’re holding Trevor to a standard no other QB in this league is held to. That he would have to play perfect and flawless. Doesn’t matter what the team around them does. Trevor could throw for 25/30 , 400, 4 TDs and have one pick and you’d ask why he didn’t throw for five and didn’t play perfect when we lose 35-28.

As far as the slow starts? That’s on our staff. Our first 15 almost always fails; it’s always short runs and dink and dunk. And do you notice that once we go off script, and let Trevor rip the offense moved the ball? It’s been a consistent them that this team comes unprepared out the gate and that to me has to be asked of the coaches more then any player. Are defenses consistently seeing what we’re seeing on tape and easily shutting down the first 15? Blame Trevor, sure, but to me there’s a larger issue behind that. 

I agree Trevor’s development has been inconsistent. Which is why I’ve been adamant despite rosier outlooks that he’s not elite and may never be; however he’s talented and a good QB and that’s what this franchise has lacked for decades and if we throw it away in hopes of finding elite we’d be silly. 28-29 of the 32 teams in this league are “settling” for “mediocrity” with your standards. 

The contract? Again can we stop with this misinformation nonsense? The contract is not going to prevent a new regime from building around him.
2025: $17M, 5.9%, 20th/55 among QBs
2026: $24M, 8.3%, 19th/41 among QBs
2027: $35M, 11.1%, 13th/25 among QBs
2028: $47M (cutting him here would be a dead cap hit of $42M), 9th/12 among QBs
2029: $78M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $21M), 2nd/8 among QBs
2030: $75M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $7M), 1st/3 among QBs (Mahomes and Burrow are the other two)
2031: $21M (this is a void year and carries no dead cap hit), 2nd/2 among QBs (Mahomes is the other one)

Can’t truly rid him if that’s what you want until 2028 but his contract is built in a way we’re not hamstrung from building around him until 2029 which again we can cut him or rework him. Criticize the amount sure (which only makes him highest paid for 1-2 seasons) but we’re not shot in the kneecaps like you claim.

As far as record, that’s an ultimate team stat. Using your logic, mahomes should have MVP if the season ended today. He wouldn’t because he’s playing like a human QB.

We’re certainly going to lose the next four and I can guarantee Trevor will have great plays and bad plays because he’s gonna let it rip and we’re down his best two targets potentially. I’ll be waiting for it. Because on offense it’s just him, engram, Bigsby basically taking the offense on their back and will be desperate

Finally if you wanna be disappointed because of the hype, go for it. I’m not. I never expect a player to step in and be elite immediately . How many QBs have truly done that in decades? Brady. Mahomes. Could make a case for a couple others. Some come hot out the gate then cool off. That’s on your expectations not on him. He didn’t come out and say “I will be elite”. He didn’t say “I’m generational and I promise to bring this franchise to glory”. I’m happy that he’s our franchise and that he’s a QB we can build around it’s just a matter of accomplishing that.

Step back from the cliff man. At this point I want Mac jones to start so people understand just how bad it can get at the position. We let Trevor walk in 2029, we’re back to QB purgatory. Full stop.

Trevor leads the league in turnovers since he's been in the league.  The fact that he's improved that in a 2-6 performance doesn't erase the fact that he still holds that record.  The fact that he spotted the Packers 14 points via turnovers is what lost yesterdays game.  Criticizing that aspect of his game isn't "holding Trevor to a standard no other QB in this league is held to", it's pointing out that he has to be more secure with the ball... Just like his head coach pointed out in the offseason.

I'll say it again, Trevor's contract isn't about him being overpaid (though I think there's an argument there) but if you believe that a new GM and Head Coach are needed, it adds a wrench in the hiring process.  Instead of offering a GM and a HC with a blank slate, you have to hire them with the understanding that the QB position (and the newly extended DE/CB) are already locked in for multiple years (4 years according to you post).  For example, if you really want Ben Johnson as a HC, he now has to agree that he can turn the team around with Trevor, as opposed to finding his own QB that may fit his system better.  It's not impossible that he'll agree, but it is an extra hurdle.

of course he made the mistakes; and yes he has improved his turnover numbers in the 2-6 start, but our point is we don’t have a team that can support an imperfect QB. So he has to play a perfect game, every game if we want to be 6-2 rather then 2-6. That’s impossible to expect of any quarterback in the league. Measuring by that standard, Trevor will always be a disappointment. But we see and know that if he’s given even just a slightly mediocre defense and a line that plays adequate, he’s as good as most other quarterbacks out there. Even in this situation we find the team in, he’s in the top half of the league. Do I want that higher? Hell yeah! But a lot of that isn’t going to happen with the current state of things AND he also needs to continue improvement with taking care of the ball. 

As far as the GM and HC combo I can see most jumping at a chance to have the offensive centerpieces we have in place. I will give you this, should cincy fire Taylor that will be the more attractive place to go. Johnson would choose burrow over Trevor as things stand currently as would any other rational person.

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