(10-28-2024, 04:15 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 03:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I'm not an NFL coach so I can't tell you all of the methodologies of the successful head coaches, but the good ones don't tend to experience stretches of 16 games wherein they can't get their starters to eliminate mistakes enough to win more than 20% of their games. 

I mean - it is literally their job to coach better performance out of these kids. That is not happening in Jacksonville right now.

I agree with you somewhat.  I think Pederson is probably fired during the bye week since I don't see any wins between now and then.  It's not always "fair" or "the right thing to do" in my opinion, but the Captain of the ship is always the one that has the ultimate responsibility and is always the one held most accountable.

I still think that it's more of a "player problem" rather than coaching, and it's not lack of talent.  I think that players will listen and respond better to their peers over the coaches.  When I say that players need to "call each other out" or hold each other accountable, it doesn't need to be a public thing.  I'm not sure how to motivate players to do it, and I don't think that the coaches know either.

Again when/if Pederson if fired during the bye week, who steps in as the interim of long term solution?

Back to the topic of this thread, I kind of hope that the Jaguars can keep it somewhat close and not lose in a huge blowout.  That being said I see a 42-10 type of game coming up that won't be pleasant.

This is kind of where I'm at, but I'll add some other thoughts on what I suspect may be at issue.  I think we have sufficient talent on the whole.  I think we have decent game day coaching in general.  It's not perfect, but it is sufficient.  I suspect it might be systems related in that you have a system for installing a gameplan in a given week or a system for pretty much everything a football team might do throughout the year (including having good situational play calling systems in place to avoid delays of game penalties after a big play which was a problem earlier in the season) and I think the systems may need an overhaul if only to break up monotony and obviously I have no way to know this to be the case in a widespread manner, but sometimes you just have to shake things up to grow.  Sometimes things get stale, the mind loses focus and it appears to be talent regression, but it's really loss of focus.  Ultimately, the person responsible for whatever systems are in place is the head coach so Doug certainly shoulders that blame and probably doesn't survive this, but we'll see.  Change doesn't always mean better.

On the flip side, I suspect there may be a lack of real player leadership in the locker room as Doug alluded to earlier in the year after a loss in a post game presser.  That's an indictment on some of the vets and potentially Trevor if this suspicion is indeed true as the QB should be one of the team's biggest player leaders.  I can't lay all the blame on him because I don't expect him even as QB to march into defensive team meetings and attempting to lay the law down.  There definitely needs to be vocal leader on defense who is also one of the better defensive players leading that side of the ball and setting the tone.  Do we have that?  I don't know.  It probably should be JHA based on age, contract and play level or possibly Oluokon but I'm not sure if either has vocal leader personality traits.  I'm not saying they don't, I just don't know.   Ventrell, Travon and Tyson could also eventually be candidates for that role if we indeed don't have that at the moment and again I don't know either way.  The fact that it's not clearly apparent that we do leads me to believe that we probably don't. The Armstead signing could have been an attempt to add another hardened vet and potential leader to the locker room, but you have to be playing well individually to really lead and he hasn't been for whatever reason.  It comes off inauthentic otherwise.  

Anyway, just some additional thoughts I had.  I believe it's a little bit of everything as I've been saying for a while now as have many others. A lack of focus, injuries, sporadic bad play from various individual players on both sides of the ball at various times (this covers the QB as well), a few bad/questionable PI calls against us that directly led to opposition points in closely contested games, the appearance of a lack of proper situational play calling systems (and maybe others) in place to avoid delay of game penalties, etc, etc...  I think those of us who are singularly focused on one particular issue or person being the culprit may be setting themselves up for a disappointment/reality check.

Ultimately Doug probably shoulders most of the blame here and if he goes I'm not sure how Trent stays, but as I mentioned above, change doesn't always mean better.  Ben Johnson may be an A+ play caller, but does he bring in smart, efficient organization level systems for play calling, play book installation, game plan installation and the bevy of other systems that a coach needs to have to run the team effectively at a high level.  You probably won't know that until he's in the building and then you're giving him at least 2 years and probably 3 or 4 to figure out if he does or not.  And what happens if he's not better as a HC and we find out the lack of player leadership is actually the bigger deal?  In the meantime, your new GM will have dismantled half the roster bringing in his guys and he may be worse at talent evaluation than the previous guy and we may be in worse shape roster wise before you realize it a couple of years down the road.  And don't think the roster being dismantled isn't happening in that scenario.  That's not how this works.  A new regime isn't resting their fate on the previous regime's guys.  Doug will have earned his firing if he is indeed let go, but will it wind up being the right decision?  Cue NH3's signature tag line.

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