(10-28-2024, 09:12 AM)SamusAranX Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 08:27 AM)Caldrac Wrote: And? He also coughed up a fumble inside the 5 and tossed an INT right back to them after being gifted a rare INT from this defense that resulted in 14 points being added to the board. 

I can't get onboard anymore with defending this guy entirely. The dog [BLEEP] starts on offense in Q1 are also on him as well. This team was 1/9 on third down's yesterday. A common theme. 

People gave StroudCrowd hell for stating that Lawrence is damaged goods. While I don't fully agree with that statement, he's not entirely wrong neither. Lawrence's development has been completely stunted by piss poor decision making from ownership, coaching changes and the front office. 

NOBODY should be content with what he's produced so far. 

NOBODY should be looking for silver lining in this [BLEEP] sandwich of a franchise. 

NOBODY should be making excuses for this nonsense after he inked a shiny new $275M deal. Which, by the way, will make it difficult for the next regime to potentially fix this "talented" roster. 

Why is it that C.J Stroud, Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams all look like they're better prospects right out of the gate compared to what we saw and continue to see with Lawrence? Why is Lawrence seeing his worst completion percentage since his rookie season? Why is Lawrence seeing his lowest overall yardage output since his rookie season? 

There needs to be better accountability at this point with him being in year four. There needs to be even BETTER accountability and expectations placed on ownership, the coaching staff and front office. He's behind in his development. Period. He's not where he needs to be in year four. Period. 

Just like the cute little stat comparison of Stroud Vs. Lawrence this year. Stroud is in year two. Not year four. Are we really going to hang our hats on that "reading"? Please, spare me. Stroud's been miles ahead of Lawrence since last year. He's miles ahead of him now, and, again, as cited in here or another thread. 

You ARE what your record says you ARE. And his body of work speaks for itself along with the stats to back it up. We drafted Alex Smith 2.0. Jason Campbell 2.0. His dysfunctional surrounding is exactly similar to what Alex Smith went through in San Francisco. It's similar to what Campbell went through in Washington. 

While it's not ALL on Lawrence, he's not lived up to the hype for the most part. I am clearly hoping things improve with his said surrounding because that's the only way he's going to live up to his potential. He's dead in the water with this current regime. 

It's year four though folks. The training wheels have been off now since at least the 8 - 3 start in 2023. The training wheels were OFFICIALLY off once he inked that new contract. Enough with the excuses, nonsense and defending. Many, many things can be right at the same time. 

These next four games for him are fixing to be murderers row. 

Philadelphia
Minnesota
Detroit
Houston

If he plays mistake free football, wins half of those games and plays perfectly? I will happily eat my [BLEEP] crow, but, just like last year when the schedule got tough? His worst moments cropped up on the stat sheet and film room. I expect him to get his bell rung, banged up and his production to take a nose dive in the turnover department.

Every QB in this league plays games with turnovers. You’re holding Trevor to a standard no other QB in this league is held to. That he would have to play perfect and flawless. Doesn’t matter what the team around them does. Trevor could throw for 25/30 , 400, 4 TDs and have one pick and you’d ask why he didn’t throw for five and didn’t play perfect when we lose 35-28.

As far as the slow starts? That’s on our staff. Our first 15 almost always fails; it’s always short runs and dink and dunk. And do you notice that once we go off script, and let Trevor rip the offense moved the ball? It’s been a consistent them that this team comes unprepared out the gate and that to me has to be asked of the coaches more then any player. Are defenses consistently seeing what we’re seeing on tape and easily shutting down the first 15? Blame Trevor, sure, but to me there’s a larger issue behind that. 

I agree Trevor’s development has been inconsistent. Which is why I’ve been adamant despite rosier outlooks that he’s not elite and may never be; however he’s talented and a good QB and that’s what this franchise has lacked for decades and if we throw it away in hopes of finding elite we’d be silly. 28-29 of the 32 teams in this league are “settling” for “mediocrity” with your standards. 

The contract? Again can we stop with this misinformation nonsense? The contract is not going to prevent a new regime from building around him.
2025: $17M, 5.9%, 20th/55 among QBs
2026: $24M, 8.3%, 19th/41 among QBs
2027: $35M, 11.1%, 13th/25 among QBs
2028: $47M (cutting him here would be a dead cap hit of $42M), 9th/12 among QBs
2029: $78M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $21M), 2nd/8 among QBs
2030: $75M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $7M), 1st/3 among QBs (Mahomes and Burrow are the other two)
2031: $21M (this is a void year and carries no dead cap hit), 2nd/2 among QBs (Mahomes is the other one)

Can’t truly rid him if that’s what you want until 2028 but his contract is built in a way we’re not hamstrung from building around him until 2029 which again we can cut him or rework him. Criticize the amount sure (which only makes him highest paid for 1-2 seasons) but we’re not shot in the kneecaps like you claim.

As far as record, that’s an ultimate team stat. Using your logic, mahomes should have MVP if the season ended today. He wouldn’t because he’s playing like a human QB.

We’re certainly going to lose the next four and I can guarantee Trevor will have great plays and bad plays because he’s gonna let it rip and we’re down his best two targets potentially. I’ll be waiting for it. Because on offense it’s just him, engram, Bigsby basically taking the offense on their back and will be desperate

Finally if you wanna be disappointed because of the hype, go for it. I’m not. I never expect a player to step in and be elite immediately . How many QBs have truly done that in decades? Brady. Mahomes. Could make a case for a couple others. Some come hot out the gate then cool off. That’s on your expectations not on him. He didn’t come out and say “I will be elite”. He didn’t say “I’m generational and I promise to bring this franchise to glory”. I’m happy that he’s our franchise and that he’s a QB we can build around it’s just a matter of accomplishing that.

Step back from the cliff man. At this point I want Mac jones to start so people understand just how bad it can get at the position. We let Trevor walk in 2029, we’re back to QB purgatory. Full stop.