(10-29-2024, 10:57 AM)cland Wrote:

(10-29-2024, 09:07 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Stop it man, he's a top 5 paid QB in the NFL. If he can't win games by himself like Patrick Mahomes is right now then he's the ENTIRE PROBLEM with this dumpster fire franchise.

Caldrac specifically said "Again, he's not ALL to blame, but, he's been apart of the problem as well at times. I am disappointed in all of this. We all should be." and "The defense has been atrocious this year, nobody is arguing this, nobody is defending it." 

Look I get it, the Jaguars signed Lawrence to stay around for the next 5 years (including this year) and there's no changing that.  And if defending your starting QB makes you feel better about the future, by all means go right ahead.  I personally have an issue with people acting like anyone who disagrees with your opinion is an idiot/troll/@!#$ &^$%$#.

Only one person, at least on mine and most other posters, is treated as a troll in this thread and rightfully so for their posting habits. 

As long you make a case that isn’t full of hyperbole and the sky is falling nonsense, I am willing to debate in good faith

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(10-29-2024, 11:14 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:

(10-28-2024, 09:12 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: Every QB in this league plays games with turnovers. You’re holding Trevor to a standard no other QB in this league is held to. That he would have to play perfect and flawless. Doesn’t matter what the team around them does. Trevor could throw for 25/30 , 400, 4 TDs and have one pick and you’d ask why he didn’t throw for five and didn’t play perfect when we lose 35-28.

As far as the slow starts? That’s on our staff. Our first 15 almost always fails; it’s always short runs and dink and dunk. And do you notice that once we go off script, and let Trevor rip the offense moved the ball? It’s been a consistent them that this team comes unprepared out the gate and that to me has to be asked of the coaches more then any player. Are defenses consistently seeing what we’re seeing on tape and easily shutting down the first 15? Blame Trevor, sure, but to me there’s a larger issue behind that. 

I agree Trevor’s development has been inconsistent. Which is why I’ve been adamant despite rosier outlooks that he’s not elite and may never be; however he’s talented and a good QB and that’s what this franchise has lacked for decades and if we throw it away in hopes of finding elite we’d be silly. 28-29 of the 32 teams in this league are “settling” for “mediocrity” with your standards. 

The contract? Again can we stop with this misinformation nonsense? The contract is not going to prevent a new regime from building around him.
2025: $17M, 5.9%, 20th/55 among QBs
2026: $24M, 8.3%, 19th/41 among QBs
2027: $35M, 11.1%, 13th/25 among QBs
2028: $47M (cutting him here would be a dead cap hit of $42M), 9th/12 among QBs
2029: $78M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $21M), 2nd/8 among QBs
2030: $75M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $7M), 1st/3 among QBs (Mahomes and Burrow are the other two)
2031: $21M (this is a void year and carries no dead cap hit), 2nd/2 among QBs (Mahomes is the other one)

Can’t truly rid him if that’s what you want until 2028 but his contract is built in a way we’re not hamstrung from building around him until 2029 which again we can cut him or rework him. Criticize the amount sure (which only makes him highest paid for 1-2 seasons) but we’re not shot in the kneecaps like you claim.

As far as record, that’s an ultimate team stat. Using your logic, mahomes should have MVP if the season ended today. He wouldn’t because he’s playing like a human QB.

We’re certainly going to lose the next four and I can guarantee Trevor will have great plays and bad plays because he’s gonna let it rip and we’re down his best two targets potentially. I’ll be waiting for it. Because on offense it’s just him, engram, Bigsby basically taking the offense on their back and will be desperate

Finally if you wanna be disappointed because of the hype, go for it. I’m not. I never expect a player to step in and be elite immediately . How many QBs have truly done that in decades? Brady. Mahomes. Could make a case for a couple others. Some come hot out the gate then cool off. That’s on your expectations not on him. He didn’t come out and say “I will be elite”. He didn’t say “I’m generational and I promise to bring this franchise to glory”. I’m happy that he’s our franchise and that he’s a QB we can build around it’s just a matter of accomplishing that.

Step back from the cliff man. At this point I want Mac jones to start so people understand just how bad it can get at the position. We let Trevor walk in 2029, we’re back to QB purgatory. Full stop.

Why can't we cut him before that? Honest question.

I didn't know the contract was like this, I guess is not that bad at all in the first 3-4 years. 

Good info, Samus, thanks.

Well I mean you CAN cut him before then, it’s just the dead cap hits don’t get to an amount that realistically  most front offices would swallow until later in the contract. I meant 2029 not 2028. 2028 would be a dead cap hit of 42 million which would be bitter to take that hit. Decreases to 21 mil in 2029 then decreases more after that. And can’t take credit was able to find the info online. I like the first few years because it allows us wiggle room to build around him. So in that way I think while an argument that he’s not living up to the overall amount can be made (yet, depending on your outlook with him) at least it’s structured to try and field a good team overall rather then hope he morphs into Walmart Brady and carry everything himself

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