(11-12-2024, 11:41 PM)TDOSS Wrote: (11-12-2024, 06:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: St. Louis is the most obvious - and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax,
St Louis isn't even ranked in the top 20 cities of the bolded statement. There's a reason why they lost the team, actually plenty of other reasons.
The area has been in a downward turn for a long time. It's not a popular opinion but by almost every data driven measure of an area it's true. STL just isn't the place people from here want it to be. From an investment and growth point of view, STL just isn't a good place to invest corporate money.
Quote:and the new popular talk is Portland OR.
Never gonna happen: the taxpayers aren't paying for a stadium that would get used 8 times a year and Providence Park is too small for the NFL's standards. I know this because I've lived there. There's a reason why the only PRO team that exists in Portland is the Trail Blazers.
And, in terms of team loyalty, Portland is very much Seahawks country. The Seahawks are pretty much "The Northwest's" football team- the fans there are concentrated in WA, OR, ID, and MO MT (Montana?) It's not like San Antonio, where fans are either apathetic, or split between (I'd assume) Texans/Cowboys.
Finally, the biggest problem is money. Any team going to a smaller area is going to need government help and Oregon can't afford it.
If you live in Portland. You drive up and down I-5. What do you see? All of those giant signs with hotels for $29. It's not because they're old and [BLEEP] (they are), it's because of vacancies. When I would drive from Seattle or Vancouver (BC) down to California or back, I always stayed in Oregon because there are tons of hotel rooms available for nothing.
It's really more of a lack of high-end hotel rooms, which again isn't a problem. Hotel vacancies in Oregon are really, really bad. Go into Denny's or McDonald's and get a Hotel/Motel guide and look at Oregon pages and then Washington. It's night and day. Oregon is cheap. Lots of hotels, very cheap.
Quote:and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax,
Neither one of those cities is better than Jacksonville in terms of corporate money.
Quote:Time to ignore the troll, folks
If challenging your position makes me a troll than by all means go ahead and attack like a toddler all you want. Doesn't make a difference to me.
Have a good night.
St. Louis Rams had very similar attendance to Jacksonville teams during their tenure in that stadium but charged much more for tickets and season tickets - and as I already explained the city has exponentially better tourism infrastructure.
I've worked in St Louis quite a bit.
A Saturday night in St. Louis can support a dozen different ticketed events, concerts, fairs, games etc, and still sell out a stadium on Sunday if the team is good.
Jacksonville has yet to rise to that ability.
If there are concerts at Dailys Plc, FL theater and Vystar arena on one night, two of them are going to be non-profitable most of the time. Jacksonvillians don't support live events well.
St Louis doesn't have those problems. The population there will sell out 10 venues on a given Sat. night
and fill a football stadium the next day for a winning team.
You really want to convince me that is not attractive to a small market owner that sells the absolute cheapest ticket in the league???
