(12-14-2024, 03:31 PM)TDOSS Wrote:

(12-14-2024, 12:26 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: So here is what is odd about your argument. If coaching staff knew that last year that Trevor was an average QB at best, why was Trevor signed to that extension this off season?

Same reason why Purdy will be signed in SF. Does it mean that they value him as high as the fanbase in SF do....or the HC, GM?

NFL is a business - especially when it comes to QB play. It's not as easy saying well lets just pay him because we think hes REALLY good or REALLY bad. Or his production is mid or whatnot.

Besides QB production there is alot of others factors that get talked about in "closed doors" when it comes to resigning a QB that we as fans dont consider or think about. 

They probably thought that they had a very good roster around Trevor and they thought he could be "good enough" to play at a high level under this roster. Again think of Purdy with the 9ers. 

They couldn't just let him walk away because he still shows flashes and is young, and they didn't feel too confident walking into the draft and replacing him. Thats just speculations ofcourse. 

My stance on Trevor has always been and always will be that if we have a healthy roster think of 2017 roster than Trevor would thrive and fit in. But he’s not one who can lift a team by himself with any extraordinary skill or talent, in my opinion. 

He falls in the same catg as guys like Baker, Darnold, Cousins, Purdy. 

He is not Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lamar, Mahomes.

There's 5 that can do it. 

So as a HC and GM, what now? You just dont let them walk away.... you sign them and wish you have a legit roster to compete and Baalke and Doug failed to provide Trevor with elite talent to succeed.

(12-14-2024, 03:56 PM)StrayaJag Wrote:

(12-14-2024, 03:31 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Same reason why Purdy will be signed in SF. Does it mean that they value him as high as the fanbase in SF do....or the HC, GM?

NFL is a business - especially when it comes to QB play. It's not as easy saying well lets just pay him because we think hes REALLY good or REALLY bad. Or his production is mid or whatnot.

Besides QB production there is alot of others factors that get talked about in "closed doors" when it comes to resigning a QB that we as fans dont consider or think about. 

They probably thought that they had a very good roster around Trevor and they thought he could be "good enough" to play at a high level under this roster. Again think of Purdy with the 9ers. 

They couldn't just let him walk away because he still shows flashes and is young, and they didn't feel too confident walking into the draft and replacing him. Thats just speculations ofcourse. 

My stance on Trevor has always been and always will be that if we have a healthy roster think of 2017 roster than Trevor would thrive and fit in. But he’s not one who can lift a team by himself with any extraordinary skill or talent, in my opinion. 

He falls in the same catg as guys like Baker, Darnold, Cousins, Purdy. 

He is not Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lamar, Mahomes.

There's 5 that can do it. 

So as a HC and GM, what now? You just dont let them walk away.... you sign them and wish you have a legit roster to compete and Baalke and Doug failed to provide Trevor with elite talent to succeed.

I 2nd this take

I understand that stance, I just disagree with it on a few points.

I think signing Purdy would be a huge mistake for the 49ers. All his All-Pro offensive teammates have been injury or getting old and he has not been able to make up the production. And that is with a much better offensive schemed coach than Pederson. The only way you build that kind of roster around Purdy is by paying him so little. If he starts taking up $50+ million on the cap, they won't be able to surround him with the talent they need. Especially since they have not drafted as well in the past few years.

The ceiling on Trevor is something I think we agree with. I see his ceiling now as between pre-Detroit Stafford and Matt Ryan. On his own he could become a good QB that can regularly get his team to the Playoffs, but not win there unless he is paired with an elite play calling coach and some All Pro level offensive pieces.

And to be fair, of the elite 5 guys you listed there 2 have HoF level coaching and 4 have had at least 1 All-Pro level offensive playmaker. Herbert has and hasn't won anything. Allen had Diggs playing elite and is this year is doing it without anyone else, so we will see how these playoffs evolve. (If he does beat Mahomes, get to a Super Bowl, etc; I think Jags seriously have to go after Joe Brady)

As for Trevor. He is basically getting Daniel Jones money cap wise thru 2027, and he can be cut prior to 2028 for only a $21 cap hit if split between '28 and '29. Honestly it is not a bad contract, but coaches agreeing that extending him thinking that he is "good enough" is ultimate ego trip.

Pederson's offense here has never been a ceiling raiser type 22 or 23. A lot of wins were dependent on winning the TO diff, and most of those were still close. They didn't have an offense that regularly overcame other poor play or mistakes other than the playoff win.

Plus they didn't know what they had in BTJ at that time (right after the draft), so there is no way they could have expected him to be a budding superstar and immediately be a great deep threat to add that element to the offense. Sure maybe over time, but not this year.

So they honestly thought their middling offensive scheme with mediocre running game, and no elite talent around him (0 All Pro's and only 1 Pro Bowl season) was going to be enough with a "good enough" QB to be a contender?

None of that makes sense for Pederson and Baalke/FO being on the same page there. It only makes sense if they were at odds. Then Pederson's history in Philly with FO dynamics/politics should have told him that the way he was playing this was the losing side no matter what happens under those circumstances during the season and basically left right then.

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