(12-13-2024, 02:17 PM)carp8dm Wrote:

(12-13-2024, 02:12 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: It is clear from your post history that we will not agree on this.  I am looking at the results on the field, from the stats, from the mistakes I can clearly pin on Lawrence, Bro we got announcers on Live Television calling out Lawrence for missing wide open receivers, What the expectations are versus the reality of what is happening.

I get your stance:  Your stance is the entire team is bad, the coaching stinks, most of the blame is not on #16.  You believe it's the team that has failed the player and not the Player who has failed the team.

We just disagree on it.  I believe #16 isn't as good as you think he is.  I stated this earlier and will state it again.  If we started this season over in the exact same situation but trade Lawrence to the Chiefs for Mahomes or Lawrence for Josh Allen, or Lawrence for Joe Burrow: I am betting my savings that the Jaguars make the playoffs.  Meanwhile, each of those teams would be much worse off.  That is the difference. 

Lawrence is Young and has time to grow but that does not guarantee he will.  It is year 4 and I still see year 1 mistakes too often on the field.  His turnover tendency has also killed the team. Studies have shown time and time again if you lose the turnover battle you almost always lose the game. 

Look at this list:  Notice that Lawrence is 3rd and Josh Allen is first?  Most people who agree that Both Josh Allen and Kirk Cousins are much better QB's than Lawrence so how can this be?  The difference is those 2 players create plays, make the right reads, make td's, and keep their team competitive. We have a Star right now on the field with BJT and Lawrence managed to throw for under 200 yards a game in 6 games this year.  I do not have the faith you have in him.   Then his concussion history to add to the fact.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has...e-2020-nfl

Yeah, we are not going to see eye to eye on this...

Gotta stoop pretty low to see eye to eye with someone who thinks Kork Coopins is creative, makes reads and keeps his team competitive.  


Selective stats are selective. Here's another one. Mac already has as many turnovers as Trevor had all season, both are tied for 20th. Maybe we need a creative competitor like Will Levis or Mr. Coopins.

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(12-13-2024, 03:42 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote:

(12-13-2024, 02:22 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Interesting that you changed it from Darnold to Mahomes and Allen.... The clear best 2 QBs in the league.

Has anyone said Lawrence is as good as Mahomes and Allen? No.

Also. Are the Bengals making the playoffs? 

Interesting.....

The Vikings may let Sam Darnold go after this season in order to make room for JJ McCarthy.  Is Darnold an upgrade on TL?  Should the Jags try to list him?

If you even ask this question, the answer isn't worth uttering.

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