(12-18-2024, 10:17 PM)Sneakers Wrote:

(12-18-2024, 09:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: Evidence:
1) They went in when Trump said to go in,
2) They disrupted and messed stuff up while they were in there,
3) They chanted against Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi but not Donald Trump, 
4) They tried to find and arrest Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi but not Donald Trump, but many of them just killed around once they realized that the counting of electoral votes was paused.
5) And they left when Donald Trump said to leave. 

They were pro-Trump insurrectionists.

1. You were clutching at straws before, now you're just flat-out hallucinating.  Was Trump standing on the Capitol steps with a bullhorn calling the play?
2. No dispute that some did, but somehow you, and you alone know that 99% participated. 
3. Wow!  Chanting, that's not exactly physical violence.
4, Many of them were just wandering around, taking pictures the ENTIRE time.
5. Irrelevant to your claim.

Do you understand the commonly held definition of "evidence"?

Everyone who was there that day, and wasn't supposed to be there, knew they weren't supposed to be there. They either fought the police themselves, or watched others break through police lines, before they got in. 

All of them were disrupting the certification of the election, and all of them were aware that they were doing so.  The various feeds on their phones were keeping them up to the minute on it. They were shouting Twitter updates to each other.

When there has been a riot, and the police are clearing it, they don't say "hey you're not actively rioting, looks like you're just taking pictures, you can stay." No. They send everybody home and they do not allow normal activities to resume until the area is secure and everybody who's not supposed to be there isn't there anymore.

Maybe some of the 17 FBI informants who entered that day, who weren't supposed to enter, maybe some of them were Biden voters. But all of the rest of the 2000 to 2500 were definitely Trump voters.

To anybody with no dog in the fight, these facts in the relationship between them are self-evident. Only somebody who needs to see Trump as a hero makes up excuses for them. It is sad that we find you in this fragile state, and ironic that you hide it by posing as a bully.

I am sorry that the world is scary and you need to have a hero in it. I suggest you start attending the religious institution of your choice and stay out of politics for a while. There are no heroes here.

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